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Post by mistermember on Jan 10, 2017 21:43:14 GMT 7
Does anyone know the name of the oral medicine some people have received in Thailand to assist in passing kidney/gall stones, a medicine which temporarily turns your pee pink/red? I read elsewhere that it worked successfully for some people and that they received it from hospitals. But I didn't copy the info and it is lost now. Is anyone familiar with what medicine that is? Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 22:02:17 GMT 7
I will ask the Chinese doctor I go to in CM next time I am in town, he may know what it is. Just had a cup of the tea he gave me for back pain, it taste like something out of a toxic waste dump but it does seem to work, just very hard to drink.
The bit about your pee turning red brought back bad memories for me. When I had that chemo in 2015 there were two big doses out of the eight I had that turned your pee bright red, looked like blood. Very scary.
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Post by Soutpeel on Jan 11, 2017 12:20:29 GMT 7
Are you sure its medication that turns your pee red ? and the Red/pink is not blood from the stones scraping walls of the ureter ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 20:15:46 GMT 7
If your unsuccessful finding the meds and want pink/red wee, you could always stick some cherry lips down your japs eye.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 15:08:38 GMT 7
I know who will know hang on
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 17:30:07 GMT 7
I use Epsom Salts in a hot footbath to ease the insane pis and needles I get in my feet, compliments of the spinal fusion I had nearly two years ago. Came across this when I was Googling one day, may be of interest to anyone who has a problem with gallstones - FLUSH GALL STONES NATURALLY!www.worldwidehealthcenter.net/article/flush-gall-stones-naturallyEpsom Salts and Bi-carb of soda are amazing products. |
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Post by AyG on Jan 12, 2017 18:48:40 GMT 7
Sorry, but that's just another take on the new age quackery of a "liver flush". If you drink olive oil and an acid such as grapefruit juice (or in this case orange juice), they interact and form soapy oil spheres which are passed out. They are not from the liver or the gall bladder. More detailed debunking at www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/flushes.html |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 19:39:40 GMT 7
Sorry AyG, but that website you posted the link to is a load of BULLSHIT itself. It is run by Doctors who are against anything other than prescription drugs, which is what they make a living out of.
"Here, take this prescription to the chemist and when those tablets run out come back and see me and I'll hook you up with some more. Forever."
After the dealings I have had with regular doctors in my life I wouldn't give you two bob for the lot of them. Especially after the experience I have had in the last two years, spending seven months in hospital and dealing with them every day.
When I was in hospital recovering from the spinal surgery I asked the doctors to give me a Vitamin B12 shot to help relieve the pins and needles I was suffering in my feet, because I knew from past experience it worked. But because they didn't believe a vitamin pill could relieve pain they refused my the shot. Prescribed Pregabalin instead.
I ended up having some brought in from outside and dosing myself with them, and it worked. As I knew it would as I had been suffering from periferal nuropothy since 2006 and had been taking B12 to stop the pins and needles.
That stupid website of yours also debunks Chinese medicine, including acupuncture. What a joke ! People all over the world swear by it, and I am one of them. In fact I am going in to the clinic in CM to have some done on my back and feet tomorrow.
Have a good look at that site AyG, if you have even half a brain you will see it is a load of crap run by greedy doctors who will debunk anything that threatens their business.
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Post by AyG on Jan 12, 2017 20:36:12 GMT 7
Sorry AyG, but that website you posted the link to is a load of BULLSHIT itself. It is run by Doctors who are against anything other than prescription drugs, which is what they make a living out of. "Here, take this prescription to the chemist and when those tablets run out come back and see me and I'll hook you up with some more. Forever." After the dealings I have had with regular doctors in my life I wouldn't give you two bob for the lot of them. Especially after the experience I have had in the last two years, spending seven months in hospital and dealing with them every day. When I was in hospital recovering from the spinal surgery I asked the doctors to give me a Vitamin B12 shot to help relieve the pins and needles I was suffering in my feet, because I knew from past experience it worked. But because they didn't believe a vitamin pill could relieve pain they refused my the shot. Prescribed Pregabalin instead. I ended up having some brought in from outside and dosing myself with them, and it worked. As I knew it would as I had been suffering from periferal nuropothy since 2006 and had been taking B12 to stop the pins and needles. That stupid website of yours also debunks Chinese medicine, including acupuncture. What a joke ! People all over the world swear by it, and I am one of them. In fact I am going in to the clinic in CM to have some done on my back and feet tomorrow. Have a good look at that site AyG, if you have even half a brain you will see it is a load of crap run by greedy doctors who will debunk anything that threatens their business. Sorry, but I place far more weight upon that website than upon your anecdotal evidence. It's evidence-based, not relying upon the unreliable reports of individuals. Notice the copious references to peer reviewed scientific papers? You seem to suggest that acupuncture is a real thing. It's not. It's no better than a placebo. Comprehensively debunked at skeptoid.com/episodes/4431Your anti-science, anti-evidence attitude, unfortunately, is all too common these days allowing all sorts of quacks and charlatans to make a living out of conning the gullible and the naïve. The likes of Oz and Mercola have become rich from exploiting the scientifically illiterate and ignorant. As for your vitamin B12 anecdote, vitamin B12 deficiency can cause peripheral neuropathy. However, for someone with a normal diet, B12 supplementation is not going to have an effect, other than as a placebo, as it probably has done in your experience. The chemistry of the so-called "liver flush" is well established - I would say incontrovertible. Acid plus oil results in saponification, creating the spheres which are passed. I even remember making soap like this in chemistry class back in school. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 20:42:34 GMT 7
Well if I wasn't convinced before I am now, you wouldn't know if your arse was on fire. Anyone who believes the crap printed in that website you quoted is not the full quid ! (I will keep that in mind whenever I read any of your comments from now on, while I am laughing)  |
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Post by Soutpeel on Jan 13, 2017 12:48:10 GMT 7
Sorry, but that's just another take on the new age quackery of a "liver flush". If you drink olive oil and an acid such as grapefruit juice (or in this case orange juice), they interact and form soapy oil spheres which are passed out. They are not from the liver or the gall bladder. More detailed debunking at www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/flushes.htmlOlive oil and an acid cant form a soapy anything...soapy would be an alkaline base not acidic base, Oilive oil and grape fruit/orange juice (citric acid) forms a bloody awful vingerette not a liver flush, it forms an emulsion of sorts This link is most certainly quack medicine, even the basic chemistry doesnt add up |
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Post by Soutpeel on Jan 13, 2017 12:51:32 GMT 7
Acid plus oil results in saponification, creating the spheres which are passed.
Horse shit...saponification is making soap which requires an alkalis or base not an acid and oil...citric acid and olive oil makes a fking vingerette
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Post by AyG on Jan 13, 2017 13:02:04 GMT 7
Sorry, but that's just another take on the new age quackery of a "liver flush". If you drink olive oil and an acid such as grapefruit juice (or in this case orange juice), they interact and form soapy oil spheres which are passed out. They are not from the liver or the gall bladder. More detailed debunking at www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/flushes.htmlOlive oil and an acid cant form a soapy anything...soapy would be an alkaline base not acidic base, Oilive oil and grape fruit/orange juice (citric acid) forms a bloody awful vingerette not a liver flush, it forms an emulsion of sorts This link is most certainly quack medicine, even the basic chemistry doesnt add up More details on the precise mechanism of forming the soapy balls: www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(05)66373-8/fulltextSo yes, the basic chemistry does add up, even though I simplified it for conciseness. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 13:11:54 GMT 7
I don't care what anyone says, "some" alternative medicines and treatments work. I have proved it to myself quite a few times over the years and seen other people do so as well.
I am the first one to denounce any that I don't believe in (I had Bowen Massage once and thought it was a sham, but others swear by it) but I have had Thai and Vietnamese massage and felt much better for it.
It's up to the individual, what works for some is not good for others.
Panadol does nothing for me but Nurofen Zavance works a treat.
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Post by AyG on Jan 13, 2017 13:40:05 GMT 7
I don't care what anyone says, "some" alternative medicines and treatments work. Of course they do. Aspirin started as a willow bark extract. However, the reality is that any alternative treatment which is actually proven to work will be taken on by the pharmaceutical companies, the active ingredient identified, and delivered as a highly pure drug (to eliminate unwanted side effects). Also a reality is that there are large numbers of quacks out there promoting unproven treatments for their own personal gain. Homeopathy, chiropractic, acupuncture, saw palmetto are all accepted as almost mainstream, yet there's no scientific evidence of their efficacy. There's no reasonable expectation that the vast majority of other alternative treatments will be more effective than a placebo. |
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