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Post by Morakot on Apr 23, 2015 19:03:29 GMT 7
Good international schools in BKK pay in the region 90,000+ per month for qualified TEFL staff. With a very good University Degree and you're guaranteed to work 60. 70, 80 hours a week doing all you need to do. Nowhere pays 90K for just a TEFL qualification. Where on earth do people get a high salary for just having qualifications? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 19:07:48 GMT 7
Would you go to a heart surgeon without qualifications in his field? Teaching is much the same, quals plus experience.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 19:20:10 GMT 7
Would you go to a heart surgeon without qualifications in his field? Teaching is much the same, quals plus experience. Regarding LOS I may question that.......... Mrs.Trans son, at 15, had a school medical.......The "Doctor" being paid to do the job told him, after looking at his finger nails, " You are going to have a heart attack and Cancer".. ??? Naturally the kid shit himself and second opinions ensued. Second opinion Doctor laughed. |
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Post by pathumseb on Apr 23, 2015 21:08:22 GMT 7
Teaching Language support or EAL ( English as Another Language) in an real top notch international school does pay well and has all the benefits to go with it. ( Here in HK anyway) Privates, corporate teaching top up the income not sure if that's legal in Thailand though. Nice levelheaded posts curtaintwitcher. Painting all ESL teachers with the same broad black tar brush is offensive and there are some very dedicated teachers out there maybe not earning that much but in it for the passion of the profession. Exactly! This is how my current school is, for the most part it is staffed by dedicated professionals who put in 101%, which is part of the reason I stay. Nice environment to work in. Recently we were taken over by some outfit called Beaconhouse who are by all accounts a large group of private schools. Everything admin wise is being moved to head office, how this will change the general atmosphere remains to be seen. Mulling making a move to build up a nest egg next year. Hard to move on when one is so comfy though! |
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Post by curtaintwitcher on Apr 24, 2015 8:28:53 GMT 7
Teaching Language support or EAL ( English as Another Language) in an real top notch international school does pay well and has all the benefits to go with it. ( Here in HK anyway) Privates, corporate teaching top up the income not sure if that's legal in Thailand though. Nice levelheaded posts curtaintwitcher. Painting all ESL teachers with the same broad black tar brush is offensive and there are some very dedicated teachers out there maybe not earning that much but in it for the passion of the profession. Recently we were taken over by some outfit called Beaconhouse who are by all accounts a large group of private schools. Everything admin wise is being moved to head office, how this will change the general atmosphere remains to be seen. Mulling making a move to build up a nest egg next year. Hard to move on when one is so comfy though! Please keep in mind that the point of private schools locally is to make money for the owners...strategies to achieve such goal may include: a) lowering admittance standards in consideration of higher fees b) cutting costs by reducing faculty salaries, increasing workloads and hiring NNSs for English language classes c) falling behind on campus technical upgrades in favor of student shows, sports and events for parents, all of which are cheap d) pushing off onto parents cost increases of daily operations anecdotal evidence for such actions comes from parents of certain "religious" schools in bkk who are regularly asked to contribute above and beyond the initial tuition fee for all sorts of activities for their children...and this doesn't include special beginning-of-year "considerations" for the school's general operations fund (dubbed Thai Pocket Requests)... |
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Post by smokie36 on May 22, 2015 11:54:51 GMT 7
Funny Rob!
I wonder how teaching compares in Thailand to the UK?
Can't imagine its more difficult than a comprehensive in an inner city area back home....a lot easier I expect certainly on the kids general behaviour....but maybe I am wrong.
Had a pal teaching on Samui in a private school and he found some of the kids abilities to be far beyond the expectation in the UK in linguistics....not so much in other areas.
Got to say though....surely teaching English in Thailand is much easier if you have a good grasp of the Thai language in both spoken and written form.
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Post by me on May 22, 2015 12:23:27 GMT 7
Funny Rob! I wonder how teaching compares in Thailand to the UK? Can't imagine its more difficult than a comprehensive in an inner city area back home....a lot easier I expect certainly on the kids general behaviour....but maybe I am wrong. Had a pal teaching on Samui in a private school and he found some of the kids abilities to be far beyond the expectation in the UK in linguistics....not so much in other areas. Got to say though....surely teaching English in Thailand is much easier if you have a good grasp of the Thai language in both spoken and written form. Personally I feel the schooling that my two neices got and are getting here at government schools exceeds that of many of the schools in Australia. True they do stream kids here and it is probably true that those having less interest are kept amused and active rather than being on the street but I have been positively impressed by the dedication care and ability (but not english) of the teachers here with their big class sizes and low resources. |
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Post by smokie36 on May 23, 2015 1:38:47 GMT 7
Funny Rob! I wonder how teaching compares in Thailand to the UK? Can't imagine its more difficult than a comprehensive in an inner city area back home....a lot easier I expect certainly on the kids general behaviour....but maybe I am wrong. Had a pal teaching on Samui in a private school and he found some of the kids abilities to be far beyond the expectation in the UK in linguistics....not so much in other areas. Got to say though....surely teaching English in Thailand is much easier if you have a good grasp of the Thai language in both spoken and written form. I couldn't really make a comparison since I have not been involved in education here, nor in the UK for that matter, since I retired. But from what one of my pals who's a teacher here says, I'd say you're on the money with what you said on things being about on a par with inner city schools back home. Then again, I guess, like at home, it depends where you are looking, both here and at home. The teaching would be easier with a grasp of the spoken and written Thai, but the learning is frequently best achieved by immersion in the foreign language. I worked with schools in Germany where large parts of the curriculum were taught solely in English, with fantastic results. Sadly the political nature of schooling being what it is many kids are not stretched at a young age to fulfil their potential. In the UK I mean.....and I am sure in Thailand too. |
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Post by pathumseb on May 23, 2015 9:40:34 GMT 7
555 I just got banned from some Facebook group called 'Teachers in Thailand'. I had the audacity to claim that being a qualified teacher was a good thing. They sure are a bunch of racists over there. Makes me wonder why they even bothered to come to another country to live and work.
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Post by mooping on May 23, 2015 10:40:14 GMT 7
In Phetchabun City there are a group of very young western teachers (male/female) hanging about the bazaars in the evening. Unsure of their teaching ability but they appear to be polite nice sorts and judging by the accents North American.
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Post by Mosha on May 26, 2015 20:04:23 GMT 7
At work we had a saying. Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Given the standard of the apprentices I had after the mid 80s. I can't disagree with that. Dumbing down is still in full swing.
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Post by Mosha on May 28, 2015 7:05:23 GMT 7
Reading was taught at home. Work skills were not taught at school.
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Post by erich on Aug 9, 2018 6:52:49 GMT 7
It is not an easy job. But, teaching at a university is a bit more relaxed than teaching high school, elementary, etc...You do not have to work as many hours at a uni and the mgmt tends to leave you alone, somewhat. I think the NES who come here and exclusively teach English at language schools or anywhere else are blended in with all teachers and when someone forms an opinion we get lumped together. Salaries are all lumped together too. So, a young fella with no experience generally is paid the same as someone with degrees, experience, etc...This can cause some resentment. Add to this the Thai factor. School admins tend not to care about the quality of anyone, just fit in the hole, right?
Also, at some unis you teach content rather than just how to speak English, which can be nice. You might even teach a bit, for real... Rajabhat work can be brutal though. You get 5 or 6 classes with 50 or more students and the classes they assign never match reality. I have been asked to teach the history of western art and American literature to a huge room full of students where maybe 1 or 2 understand me in a very basic way. The idea of accomplishing this is beyond ridiculous. It can be very stressful if you have an ounce of integrity. Some of those dudes who disappear after 1 semester experience this and just cannot handle it. Can you blame them?
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Post by rgs2001uk on Aug 10, 2018 23:39:50 GMT 7
Personally, I take them as I find them, there are some decent ones and there are some tossers.
By tossers I mean guys who self appoint themselves with the moniker, Khun Kru, Ajarn Bill etc etc, as if we dumb engineering plebs just rocked up on the banana boat on the banks of the mae naaam yesterday, and dont know what is what.
Theres a big wide world out there, why restrict yourself to only one country?
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Post by smokie36 on Aug 11, 2018 1:25:38 GMT 7
Should I shave off my goatee and adopt a handlebar moustache before taking Art 101 next year?
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