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Post by rgs2001uk on Sept 24, 2018 21:36:19 GMT 7
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Post by rubl on Sept 25, 2018 12:31:59 GMT 7
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Typical European, or should I say 'advanced country' problem. Aging population, barely growing population, no new immigrants allowed. Who pay the bills?
Of course, Britain doesn't have this problem I guess, that's why there's a reference to Tusk and Juncker in the topic title.
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Post by siampolee on Sept 25, 2018 20:35:56 GMT 7
Can't resist can you? Yet again your inbuilt hatred of the British comes to the forefront.
Do you really think all those immigrants entering the Netherlands are really going to support your economy and later your aging population?
The problem is that being a Dutch expert on all things British means that one knows very little about a great deal. Much like being a Dutch specialist on all things British, you in truth know a great deal about very little.
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Post by rgs2001uk on Sept 25, 2018 20:59:52 GMT 7
^^| Typical European, or should I say 'advanced country' problem. Aging population, barely growing population, no new immigrants allowed. Who pay the bills? Of course, Britain doesn't have this problem I guess, that's why there's a reference to Tusk and Juncker in the topic title. Au contraire my cloggy wearing mate. Nothing more than a bunch of socialist free loaders thinking the world owes them a pension, sorry wont be my tax dime. I live in Thailand, and correct Thailand doesnt have this problem, love that Texas attitude, I have got mine, you go get yours, love that Thailand attitude. As mentioned before, see Greece for details.
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Post by siampolee on Sept 25, 2018 21:17:18 GMT 7
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Post by rubl on Sept 25, 2018 23:35:43 GMT 7
Bullshit my dear Siampolee. The issue here was pensioners complaining that the adjustment they received was less than they liked, and even less than the inflation rate. That is an issue which plays in many countries. Somehow pensions need to be paid and someone need to pay for them. Depending on the system choosen either pension funds have the cash on hand or simply borrow from what is now being paid in taxes. Either way you need workers to pay taxes. With people living longer and enjoying their state pension for a longer time, you need more taxpaying people, even pensioners pay taxes. Now if you don't manage a natural growth of your population pensions become a burden on the state and will not only not be adjusted but may also be reduced. Even in the best case it is proper management to be careful and pensions in the Netherlands have been either unadjusted or decreased a little bit. In part because of the 2008 Financial Crisis, but some could already see it coming. The remarks by PM Rutte are more on the functioning of the E.U. and the need to balance duties and right. The exit of Britain should be used as a good opportunity to make adjustments before continuing with a further integration or even expansion. Not your concern though, the Brits will be out by their own choice.
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Post by rubl on Sept 26, 2018 0:39:42 GMT 7
Regarding life expectancy, the figures for the Netherlands over 2017 show a life expectancy for men at 80.1 year, women 83.3 years. Note that the figures show that on average people who are already older are expected to get older than those now young. That is an effect of the 'early die out' effect. Having reached 63 already I can 'expect' to live till about 84, on average (which means I could drop dead tomorrow or live to be 100). "Levensverwachting voor mannen 80,1 en voor vrouwen 83,3 In 2017 was de levensverwachting bij geboorte 80,1 jaar voor mannen en 83,3 jaar voor vrouwen. De resterende levensverwachting op 65-jarige leeftijd was 19,0 jaar voor mannen en 21,5 voor vrouwen. Een 65-jarige man wordt naar verwachting dus 84,0 jaar en een 65-jarige vrouw 86,5 jaar." www.volksgezondheidenzorg.info/onderwerp/levensverwachting/cijfers-context/huidige-situatie#node-resterende-levensverwachtingIn Britain a rather novel solution to the unbalance between pensioners and workers seems to have been found. From O.N.S. www.theguardian.com/science/2018/sep/25/improvement-uk-life-expectancy-stalled-ons-figures-show
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Post by siampolee on Sept 26, 2018 6:51:27 GMT 7
That's right. Do youknow or understand why that move is being taken? It is due to WE BRITISH living in a democracy and yet again rejecting the latest Eoropean Brussels dictatorship. Noticed the threatening, bully boy rhetoric emanating from Brussels have you?
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Post by siampolee on Sept 26, 2018 7:25:04 GMT 7
The truth revealed yet again.
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Post by rubl on Sept 26, 2018 8:46:26 GMT 7
That's right. Do youknow or understand why that move is being taken? It is due to WE BRITISH living in a democracy and yet again rejecting the latest Eoropean Brussels dictatorship. Noticed the threatening, bully boy rhetoric emanating from Brussels have you? You sound like Trump, meaningless rhetoric. Actually just the usual justification in negatives. Blame Brussels, Brussels doesn't give Britain what it wants. Brussels doesn't give Britain the respect some Brits seem to think they owe. So, Britain gets out of it. That's nice. Wish you well on your own. Meanwhile the E.U. struggles on, as democratically as possible to keep it managable. Seems some would like the Nationalist Parties to thrive. Side effect would be international co-operation of Nationalist parties leading to even tighter integration. Anyway, in the Netherlands the cabinet just decided to increase the pension age slightly less rapid, For the moment though I will keep on assuming it'll be 67y3m for me, end of 2022.
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Post by siampolee on Sept 26, 2018 10:32:41 GMT 7
As usual your view and opinions are the only ones that count. What more does one expect from a person who is happy to surrender his freedoms and his countrys freedoms to a totalitarian regime. The occupation of the Netherlands by the Germans must have indeed given you a great sense of enjoyment, of course you were not there at the time.
Never mind, you'll (should you return to the Netherlands) will be able to enjoy being in a puppet vassal state.
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Post by rubl on Sept 26, 2018 12:00:15 GMT 7
As usual your view and opinions are the only ones that count. What more does one expect from a person who is happy to surrender his freedoms and his countrys freedoms to a totalitarian regime. The occupation of the Netherlands by the Germans must have indeed given you a great sense of enjoyment, of course you were not there at the time. Never mind, you'll (should you return to the Netherlands) will be able to enjoy being in a puppet vassal state. As usual you don't try to understand you just rant about Brussels and your perceived view of the E.U. Well don't worry, soon, real soon now you'll be all on your comfortable own on that bastion of democracy called Britain. Pity you emigrated, but so be it. As for the rest, well 'view' indeed, but when asked to explain your view I've only got more anti-British accusations and that you don't have to explain yourself. Must be nice to be an Englishman with such views. Mind you as said many times before it would seem Brits think they know why they leave the E.U. but don't really know what they want instead apart from 'have cake and eat it'. Probably the main reason why people like you keep kicking at Brussels as that so much more fun than kicking yourself. BTW nice to see that WW-II needed to be referred to as well. Britain greatest glory being pummeled by Germans and helped by Americans. Anyway the topic was pensions and some Spanish protesting against the less than inflation rate increase. Well, not all countries can afford or can afford any longer to automatically increase pensions. Too costly with people getting older than ever. Same with the pressure on a National Health Service. Changes are being made in various countries who try to balance the books a bit better than just moving problems to the future.
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Post by pathumseb on Sept 26, 2018 12:17:00 GMT 7
I think part of the problem is the reeking sense of entitlement from both remainers and leavers. The EU does not owe you a living, and neither the the UK for that matter. Put the begging cap away and own your actions, grab life by the horns and have a blast doing it.
There are some aspects of Brexit that are very concerning, our inability to grow all our own food and the lazy natives who refuse to go and pick it. Unless you are disabled, mentally or physically you should work for your welfare check imo.
I voted remain, but I am certainly not a "liberal". My profession is greatly helped by fluid borders, I honestly don't give the plight of fisherman that much thought.
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Post by siampolee on Sept 26, 2018 12:37:23 GMT 7
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Post by rubl on Sept 26, 2018 15:33:10 GMT 7
One may wonder why Britain is upset and with her a few Brits and Englishmen. Is it because she doesn't get the nice easy deal from the E.U. It's almost as if the brexit gang promised a lot but now have to admit to telling (selling?) porkies. A lot of negative waves coming from Britain with emigrants seemingly being the most obnoxiously vocal here. setting the stage for a hard brexit they probably won't feel the bad effect of but coming generation may not thank them. The constant E.U. hatred does show that Britain (or at least the vocal few) feel threatened to the point of wanting to hide behind their cliffs again. If the brexit will be so wonderful why is there a need for such unfounded hatred? Why the inability and unwillingness to logically explain the hatred? Seems the old wisdom of it being easier to blame others. Now instead of giving you the link again on the hidden British history on traitors in WW-II let us return to the topic of pension level and protesting when there's no 'sufficient' yearly increase. Seems the British public pension is still maintained to satisfaction although workers may have to pay between 2% and 5% of their bruto wage by now. Similar in the Netherlands but there no automatic yearly increase just the actions needed to keep it in line with the minimum income level / wage. In other countries the government may have been rather generous and now feel the pain of telling their electorate that a bill needs to be paid. Greece did that and will have no sympathy for other countries which try to dodge that bill.
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