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Post by rgs2001uk on Dec 23, 2020 22:10:53 GMT 7
^^^^, FYI.
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Post by chiangmai on Dec 24, 2020 1:44:07 GMT 7
Cheers I will take a look at those. I have also seen Mid Wynd International and Edinburgh Worldwide among others recommended here. So far I'm very happy with the BG ITs I hold. I must check the rules on selling LTFs and RMFs early also. You mention MW, another you may consider is Fundsmith, which I also hold. I hold MW, FS and LT Global, I also wear a belt, a pair of braces plus I glue my pants to my shirts tails when I go out.
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Post by AyG on Dec 24, 2020 6:44:53 GMT 7
Past performance is no guarantee of future results. In particular, the Fundsmith fund takes large bets on a small number of companies. Its top holdings are currently Microsoft (7.3%), Paypal (6.0%), Facebook (4.8%). Can't say I personally fancy any of them. There's a definite risk Microsoft could be broken up. Paypal faces newer and better payment system rivals. And Facebook is on the decline, given that middle aged and elderly people are using it, the younger generation has largely abandoned it. MWY is much more diversified: its largest holding is 2.3%. In my opinion, it's a safer bet. (I also hold it.) YTD up 18.56% - not to be sniffed at.
Incidentally, is the HL charting thing new? I wasn't aware that one could add a second investment to a chart. In the past I've always used Trustnet for charting, which can be a pain.
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Post by chiangmai on Dec 24, 2020 7:12:43 GMT 7
Past performance is no guarantee of future results. In particular, the Fundsmith fund takes large bets on a small number of companies. Its top holdings are currently Microsoft (7.3%), Paypal (6.0%), Facebook (4.8%). Can't say I personally fancy any of them. There's a definite risk Microsoft could be broken up. Paypal faces newer and better payment system rivals. And Facebook is on the decline, given that middle aged and elderly people are using it, the younger generation has largely abandoned it. MWY is much more diversified: its largest holding is 2.3%. In my opinion, it's a safer bet. (I also hold it.) YTD up 18.56% - not to be sniffed at. Incidentally, is the HL charting thing new? I wasn't aware that one could add a second investment to a chart. In the past I've always used Trustnet for charting, which can be a pain. I think you may be wrong about Facebook, at least in Thailand. Mrs CM's bakery business is attracting four figures of customers using Facebook marketing only and over 80% are aged under 30 years. I think it's reasonable to be averse to holding too much tech. but that doesn't mean avoiding it entirely. And if you are going to hold tech., who better to hold than the market leaders, unless of course one is a gambling man! Talking of holding and gambling.......what do Tim Cook of Apple and AyG have in common? The answer is they both avoided Tesla.....bad move Tim, bad move AyG.
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Post by AyG on Dec 24, 2020 8:20:19 GMT 7
"who better to hold than the market leaders" Pretty much by definition, the market leaders are mature businesses so are unlikely to grow rapidly. Smaller companies have much better growth opportunities. (But also more opportunity of failing, too.) As for Tesla, its share price has risen to a ridiculous value. Its market cap is now greater than the 9 largest automakers combined. How on earth can that be rational? It is inevitable that its value will fall dramatically. However, when that will happen, and how far it will fall, nobody knows. Of course, in the interim the share price may climb to even greater stratospheric heights. I'd rather stay on the sidelines and not be swept up in the Tesla hysteria only to see the value of my shareholding plummet. www.cnbc.com/2020/12/14/tesla-valuation-more-than-nine-largest-carmakers-combined-why.html (Full article is paywalled.)
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Post by chiangmai on Dec 24, 2020 9:02:10 GMT 7
Except the number of new tech. "growth" companies that come to market every year is a daunting number. The choices seem to be, get lucky and pick one of the eventual survivors or be satisfied with a far less risky proposition, an existing major tech company who, because of their dominant position, market share and capitalization stand a good chance of going on to do even bigger and better things.
Tesla vs logical reasons: why should there be a logical reason for Tesla's market value in an age when everything is overvalued, it's not a Tesla problem it's a markets problem.
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Post by rgs2001uk on Dec 24, 2020 10:48:18 GMT 7
Past performance is no guarantee of future results. In particular, the Fundsmith fund takes large bets on a small number of companies. Its top holdings are currently Microsoft (7.3%), Paypal (6.0%), Facebook (4.8%). Can't say I personally fancy any of them. There's a definite risk Microsoft could be broken up. Paypal faces newer and better payment system rivals. And Facebook is on the decline, given that middle aged and elderly people are using it, the younger generation has largely abandoned it. MWY is much more diversified: its largest holding is 2.3%. In my opinion, it's a safer bet. (I also hold it.) YTD up 18.56% - not to be sniffed at. Incidentally, is the HL charting thing new? I wasn't aware that one could add a second investment to a chart. In the past I've always used Trustnet for charting, which can be a pain. HL chart, it’s been there for a couple of years, user friendly, I know I can add at least 2 if not 3 other investments. Click on the option charts and performance of whatever stock you are looking at, and add from the drop down list.
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Post by AyG on Dec 25, 2020 18:32:35 GMT 7
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Post by chiangmai on Dec 26, 2020 5:07:33 GMT 7
Indeed it is a measured piece but some questions/concerns: "Our $306 fair value estimate puts the shares solidly in 1-star territory". It would be interesting to understand how they arrive at this estimate of value, especially since the current price is double their estimate, do they really think the share price is overvalued by 50%..it seems more likely that their valuation matrix is seriously flawed. "We think global mass adoption of pure electric vehicles is still years away". Logically this seems true but it's a picture that could change rapidly if governments intervene as a result of climate change and enforce a mandate to reduce emissions, as in the case of the UK and their 2030 deadline. "We also think Tesla benefits from a first-mover advantage in electric vehicles". I think this is a key part of the reasons why, Tesla is to EV's what Hoover was to vacuum cleaners. "we see legacy companies as having legacy cost structures around ICE vehicle programs that cannot be eliminated overnight as these programs are needed to keep those companies profitable while also developing BEVs". This is the biggee, can the majors transition and remain leaders and maintain cash flow. "Until an electric vehicle far cheaper than the Model 3 goes on sale in mass volume, there is no way to know for sure if consumers in large volume are willing to switch". Consumers don't want mass volume vehicles even if they are cheap, look how many have come to market and failed miserably. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automobiles_known_for_negative_receptionSeparately: I watched a podcast by a Baillie Gifford Analyst who argued that the new norm resulting from the pandemic would mean that many tech company offerings would become permanent fixtures, necessity being the mother of invention and all that....cases in point, Amazon and the rise of online shopping and online medical consultations using video, the pandemic has given many tech products a nitro boost that will not go away once the pandemic ends.
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Post by AyG on Dec 26, 2020 10:46:48 GMT 7
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Post by chiangmai on Dec 27, 2020 5:03:49 GMT 7
Thanks.....I am reading it but it's slow going so I need some time to absorb and understand it. One point that jumps out is their definition of what the star ratings actually means, one star for example includes: "Indicates a high probability of undesirable risk-adjusted returns from the current market price over a multiyear time frame". I wonder if it's possible or sensible to apply the same weightings and criteria to start ups that are applied to mature companies, by their very nature they are at a different point in the growth lifecycle. A second thought along similar lines is whether the same rules apply should to cyclical stocks that apply to say growth stocks. I'll read some more.
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Post by AyG on Dec 27, 2020 6:31:32 GMT 7
^^^ I think if you read further you'll find they do apply different approaches to start ups and mature companies. As for cyclical v. growth, since the methodology is based upon long term performance, it shouldn't make a difference - particularly as predicted future cash flows are discounted to NPV.
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Post by rgs2001uk on Dec 28, 2020 20:42:24 GMT 7
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Post by chiangmai on Dec 29, 2020 4:54:56 GMT 7
How very true.
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Post by AyG on Dec 29, 2020 7:03:01 GMT 7
I would say the opposite. There's not enough independent, intelligent analysis available. Whenever I see an article, the first thing I ask is "who wrote it?". In the case of the above material was written by Kepler Trust Intelligence who are paid by investment trusts to write puff pieces for them and to pass them off as research. (Admittedly articles usually have a disclaimer in them somewhere, such as "Material produced by Kepler Trust Intelligence should be considered a marketing communication, and is not independent research.) Anyway, It can instantly be discounted as worth reading (unless I'm really bored). Similarly, is the person who wrote it credible and properly qualified? Journalists writing articles for popular consumption rarely are. These can be discounted too. What is left? Very little really. Articles on Bloomberg and in the Financial Times are usually high quality, though there's very little about investment trusts there. Morningstar's research articles are usually OK, but the news articles are usually dire. ("Are you ready for a Santa rally", "Stocks on Santa's naughty list" and "3 themes for UK investors" are articles currently on the Morningstar front page.
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