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Post by 3 on Sept 14, 2021 5:12:14 GMT 7
It's been a while. I just wondered what are your views on the current fear and madness pandemic around the globe? Note, excluding Thailand.
It appears conspiracies are becoming true, one with any sense only has to draw the dots between the hidden facts. Yet it seems many of the people residing in countries with half decent education systems can not (not speaking about Thailand here).
Critical thinking is absent and people believe the news and governments. I mean why would they lie to us?
I'm surprised there hasn't been an assassination yet TBH.
Answers on a postcard on this thread please.
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Post by rubl on Sept 14, 2021 10:01:53 GMT 7
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Post by 3 on Nov 23, 2021 6:58:29 GMT 7
Happy with your police force beating your own people down and setting dogs on them until they are dead or unconscious?
Even Siampolee wouldn't treat Irish travellers like that.
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Post by chiangmai on Nov 23, 2021 8:01:40 GMT 7
It is not necessarily that people are being lied to, the problem is that people don't understand the information they are given or in many cases, it is simply wrong. People cannot be expected to arrive at the correct answer, under those circumstances. What results is that groupthink tries to interpret the information, making lots of false assumptions along the way. Case in point:
I was just reading an article about the Thai economy, one of many that propagates a similar view and are targeted at, if not written by, uninformed ex-pats. And because such tripe makes it into print it gets widely published and widely read hence the wrong information gets spread even further. It said, "tourism is 20% of GDP". No it's not, there is no line item called tourism in any GDP model. What they meant was, tourism is equal to 20% of GDP. But even then, that conjures up the image in many peoples minds that as soon as tourism stops, GDP falls by 20%. So the next time the BOT says that GDP fell by 2%, all the expats cry bollocks, there's no tourists and tourism is 20% of GDP so GDP must have fallen by 20%, they're lying again. It's an education thingy along with a media reporting thingy, which is why it's important for people to read the right stuff if they want to have any chance of arriving at the right answer. As for videos that show the above, I want to undesratnd the other half of the story that goes along with the visuals
FWIW...International tourism is equal to about 12% of GDP whilst domestic tourism is about 8%. Potentially GDP could fall by 12% if the drop was maintained for a full year but even then it's highly unlikely. GDP is made up of a whole series of components and the subheading of tourism comprises elements of most of them. So transportation, for example, may fall by x% as a result of the decline in international tourism but in practice, those subheadings all rise and fall at different speeds to different degrees with many making up the losses in other areas.
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Post by rubl on Nov 23, 2021 9:38:39 GMT 7
Happy with your police force beating your own people down and setting dogs on them until they are dead or unconscious? Even Siampolee wouldn't treat Irish travellers like that. It's interesting that some people are continuous provoking and stoking fear with text not necessarily matching pictures or clips. Not typical Dutch though, or 'Arabic' Dutch. You'll find it in most countries nowadays. It's too easy and people think they're invisible behind some fake avatar. Of course, some you'll never be told, as solving cases can be a wee bit difficult with the whole world watching your every step and commenting on it.
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Post by rubl on Nov 23, 2021 9:47:09 GMT 7
BTW "2021-11-21 Three people wounded by gunshots during Rotterdam riots Police reported Saturday evening that during the riots Friday evening in Rotterdam, three rioters sustained bullets wounds. The injured are being treated in hospital. Previous reports stated there had been two people hospitalized due to gunshot wounds. The National Criminal Investigation Department is examining if police were responsible for the injuries. Officers said they fired both targeted and warning shots after rioters cornered them and to protect firefighters. Police also used water cannons to disperse the crowd. The fact that gunshot wounds injured a third person became known a day later because they were admitted to a hospital outside the Rotterdam region. "Thus, information can come in delayed," a police spokesperson said. Police have not released information on the condition of the three. "There is also medical privacy," the spokesperson said." nltimes.nl/2021/11/21/three-people-wounded-gunshots-rotterdam-riots"2021-11-22 More arrests in third night of trouble in towns across the Netherlands Police made a further 28 arrests at least on Sunday night, in the third night of trouble in towns and cities across the Netherlands. In Enschede and Groningen, gangs of youths set off fireworks, smashed shop windows and trashed bicycles and there were several arrests. In Roosendaal, rampaging youths set several fires, including one close to a primary school. In Tilburg, where there were no arrests, groups of youngsters set off fireworks and set fire to waste bins, broadcaster NOS reported. There were also problems again in Stein and Roermond, where at least five arrests were made for drugs offences. Earlier in the day there were again problems in Rotterdam, and 24 people were arrested after trouble outside the Kuip football stadium. In Leeuwarden too, fireworks were set off outside the Cambuur stadium and riot police were brought in." www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/11/more-arrests-in-third-night-of-trouble-in-towns-across-the-netherlands/"2021-11-22 Dutch prime minister condemns ‘idiot’ rioters involved in pure violence After three nights of trouble in towns and cities across the Netherlands, prime minister Mark Rutte has condemned the rioting as ‘pure violence’, which has nothing to do with demonstrating. Speaking ahead of a meeting with ministers to discuss the latest coronavirus figures, Rutte said that he recognised there are mounting tensions in society because everyone is fed up with coronavirus. ‘But I shall never accept idiots using violence against people who are out there every day, keeping this country safe for you and me,’ he said. ‘And they do this under the pretext of “we’re not happy”. This is nothing but pure violence.’" www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/11/dutch-prime-minister-condemns-idiot-rioters-involved-in-pure-violence/
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Post by chiangmai on Nov 23, 2021 9:51:07 GMT 7
I agree rubl, almost every country has similar. Push the police hard enough, long enough and badly enough and bad things will happen in return. Ah yes I hear you say, but the man being beaten was a journalist. Possibly, but he sure as sh*t didn't get beat for nowt.
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Post by AyG on Nov 23, 2021 18:10:52 GMT 7
"Dutch police beat him with their batons until he completely stopped moving."
So, there was a simple solution: he should have completely stopped moving sooner, then he wouldn't have been beaten.
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Post by rubl on Nov 23, 2021 21:05:34 GMT 7
Interesting, found same but longer clip dated 2021-03-15. Doesn't make it much better (without knowing more of the context), but shows the fake indignation of twitterer Maajid أبو عمّار.
(need to log-in to google to confirm age) 2021-03-15 Dutch police-beat-release-attack-dogs-on-anti-lockdown-protesters who were unarmed
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Post by chiangmai on Nov 24, 2021 6:22:22 GMT 7
Most people of my age will agree that the levels of civil unrest in many countries are the worst they have ever seen. America appears on the verge of civil war at times and seems divided on almost everything. The populations of various European countries are constantly resisting any form of control and are pushing back against every government policy from immigration to taxation to disease control. These are wealthy countries, of course, there are few such problems in Asia, Africa or South America, at least if there are we don't hear much about them. And it's not every segment of society that is engaged in pushing back, it seems to be mostly the under'35's, although I suppose most demonstrations have always predominantly involved the young. So what's with the rebellious youth of the day, are they even angrier than before, are they being manipulated or do they have just cause? Probably all three things I reckon.
The young have every right to feel angry and to push back, every generation since the boomers will compare themselves to them and come out of the comparison poorly. The planet's ecosystem is in far worse shape than it's been in my lifetime and the gap between rich and poor has increased massively. Opportunities are fewer, life is more harsh, housing is unaffordable and even low expectations are not being met, to the under-educated, underemployed, somewhat impoverished 30 year old, the future must appear bleak at times. That group is easily manipulated, they are looking for a cause to vent their frustrations be it Trump vs Biden, right vs left, government policy of the day, rich vs poor or even sensible management of the populous during a pandemic....everything is an excuse for some form of action. And if some opportunist foreign government or political/religious group want to agitate and create civil unrest, that motley army is there once again, ready and waiting to be manipulated. All those things are happening today, at the same time, mostly because people have more information readily available to them and are so easily able to communicate with and organise others. If they couldn't find a cause or an excuse to cause mayhem before, there are no excuses today, just google it and you'll have your choice of hundreds of options. What about the fear, madness and pandemic the OP asks? Bleh, it's just another symptom of the above, if people in this day and age weren't on the anti-covid bandwagon they'd be challenging something else, when covid is finally placed under control, despite the best efforts of segments of the population to make the opposite happen, the group will move on to fight some other cause....it's the nature of younger people (and more than a few bored pensioners) in the information age.
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Post by rubl on Nov 24, 2021 7:47:43 GMT 7
^^| I have a novel idea and solution. A penal colony on the Moon.
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Post by chiangmai on Nov 24, 2021 8:03:02 GMT 7
Leave my penal out of this!
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Post by rubl on Nov 24, 2021 10:26:44 GMT 7
Reform Institute? Institute for Formerly Deprived Humans?
Grand Teaching Authority University?
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Post by rott on Nov 24, 2021 12:52:01 GMT 7
"Dutch police beat him with their batons until he completely stopped moving." So, there was a simple solution: he should have completely stopped moving sooner, then he wouldn't have been beaten. He must have asked for it.
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Post by rubl on Nov 24, 2021 19:34:16 GMT 7
"Dutch police beat him with their batons until he completely stopped moving." So, there was a simple solution: he should have completely stopped moving sooner, then he wouldn't have been beaten. He must have asked for it. Maybe a blockheads fan
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