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Post by chiangmai on Oct 7, 2023 6:46:49 GMT 7
The worlds worst kept secret is out! It was always very unsafe to think that the BOE was done with rate hikes, the guv is a square peg in a round hole I'm 'fraid.
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Post by chiangmai on Oct 7, 2023 7:20:11 GMT 7
Back to Chartchai for a moment:
46% of the Thai labor force is employed in Services, 22% in manufacturing and 32% in Agriculture. But Agriculture only accounts for about 7% of exports whilst International Tourism accounts for around 12% of GDP and employs mainly workers from the Services sector. The bulk of exports uses labor employed in Manufacturing which accounts for 58% of GDP, minus the 7% and 12% already mentioned, or a total of 39%! So the conundrum here is that the country’s biggest fee earner, exports from the manufacturing sector (39% of GDP), utilises only 22% of the workforce. Put another way, 39% of the workforce is employed in low productivity work that supports tourism and the local population but does little to earn income for the country. We sell stuff but we don't make stuff so we're reliant on outsiders.
The Services sector has grown rapidly over the past two decades, it has attracted mostly people who were previously engaged in agriculture so that sector has shrunk by comparison. Not a difficult choice for many, do I want to work in the fields or in the nice air conditioned mall or 7/11.
So what is contained in Services? “The services sector consists of wholesale and retail trade and restaurants and hotels; transport, storage, and communications; financing, insurance, real estate, and business services; and community, social, and personal services”. The first observation is that all those businesses are Thai owned, they have to be otherwise they couldn’t operate here. The second observation is that many are ultimately owned by the same person, retail is a good example where two or three very wealthy Thai’s own everything apart from mom and pop stores (that are being displaced by 7/11’s anyway), that’s the monopsony.
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Post by Mosha on Oct 7, 2023 8:36:50 GMT 7
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Post by chiangmai on Oct 7, 2023 9:30:45 GMT 7
Further to my post above, see the link below listing the top 50 richest people in Thailand and where their wealth comes from. There are only three people in the top 50 who earned their wealth from manufacturing, everyone else is mostly retail, food, beverage, media, fashion, finance, investments and healthcare. Those are all businesses that have emerged and grown on the back of the recovery from the 97 crash and the growth in the middle classes. The only connection between those things and exports is international tourism! This is very much a Chinese mentality to copy things or pigtail onto the back of something else rather than construct new research and manufacturing businesses that make innovative quality products for export. www.forbes.com/lists/thailand-billionaires/?sh=19fc6a97223e
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Post by siampolee on Oct 7, 2023 11:19:12 GMT 7
A little bit of a flea bite from Egypt concerning its ''foreign exchange shortage.'' One is led to wonder if the bricklaying Finance Minister's actions and policies may lead to a mirror image action having to be implemented here in dreamland Thailand at a future date.
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Post by chiangmai on Oct 7, 2023 11:35:44 GMT 7
Not surprising really, they've only got 38 bill. in foreign currency reserves. www.investing.com/economic-calendar/egypt-foreign-reserves-(usd)-1322But USD liquidity is slated to be a problem for many countries, the problem being the Dollar is so strong and it takes larger amounts of foreign currency to buy one unit. I can't see USD liquidity being an issue here because Thailand has almost no foreign currency loans that must be serviced, what is does have however is imported oil that must be paid for in USD, UNLESS of course it is purchased from China, in which case currency swaps will come into play, thus avoiding USD completely.
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Post by chiangmai on Oct 8, 2023 6:51:50 GMT 7
All of you know this but for the benefit of you know who, we’ll just join up the dots. The economy includes 50 or so billionaires, or very wealthy blokes, who make large sums from selling stuff that most of the population wants but doesn’t really need. This is stuff that doesn’t earn the country much income, apart from tax on company profits and also VAT income. But that makes the gov happy because it means it can buy more stuff that most of the population doesn’t need either, stuff likes submarines, fighter planes, aircraft carriers etc etc. Conditions after the 1997 crash were perfect for the 50 wealthy blokes. Foreign competition was not allowed, 90% of the population earned less than 10k a month, so there was an ample supply of cheap labour, plus several of their number owned the banks, hence finance wasn’t an issue either. What could be better. At some point after about 2010, the 50 wealthy blokes decided that the income from the native population alone wasn’t enough to satisfy the lavish lifestyles to which they were rapidly becoming accustomed. Hmm, said one, who’d just bought a foreign football club, I know, let’s get people from other countries to come here and buy our stuff. Yeah said another, who’d just bought Selfridge's, good idea that man, drinks all round. tradingeconomics.com/thailand/tourist-arrivalsAnd so international tourism was born in Thailand and the 50 wealthy blokes were happy….until a decade or so later when the tourists stopped coming and that had a trickle down effect, back down the income chain. Whoa said the 50, this is a bummer, it’s best that we each fire 30,000 peasants or so and increase all prices by 15% or more……so they all did. Whoa said gov, no tax income and no VAT, who’s going to pay for all the stuff we want and what will happen to my brown envelope each month. Not my problem said the 50, you need to fix it, most of whom were sipping tall drinks with little umbrella’s, on their yachts off Portofino and Capri. Meanwhile, the majority of the work force was sharing their daily cup of rice, excitedly looking forward to their 9,000 baht pay checks in 28 days time. The first thing that happened was a senior business man was appointed to the role of PM. You’ll remember this is what many in the US advocated when Trump was elected, get a successful business man with hands on experience to lead the turn around….that worked out really well of course, apart from the civil war that is! Next, the scramble was on, visa’s were abolished, prices were slashed, recreational drugs were legalised and nubile young things were dispatched to Beijing in the hope of tempting Chinese money to visit. The jury is out whether these things will be beneficial or not but I doubt that the nubile young things will be back here any time soon and who can blame them. Oddly however, nobody has said, let’s stop being so dependent on foreign money, we’re not prostitutes who sell ourselves to foreign tourists and anyway, we want a better class of John, er tourist. Instead, the call has gone out to tax people more, to which the 50 have replied, good luck with that mate and to which the poor have said, tax what exactly? Less oddly, nobody has come up with an alternate plan to achieve independence from overseas income because that would mean causing financial damage to the 50 wealthy blokes and they’re not up for that. The bottom line is that Plan A is increased tourist arrivals and there is no Plan B that can be controlled or managed by this country. There is a long shot that a rich widow somewhere will die and leave America 32 trillion Dollars and that the country will find a capable president aged under 60, one who is also honest and sane, but I’m not hopeful. The 50 have spoken.
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Post by chiangmai on Oct 8, 2023 7:01:14 GMT 7
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Post by siampolee on Oct 8, 2023 10:57:14 GMT 7
Well as per usual the Thai stance is that' 'we are different.'' Indeed they are, totally uninformed, living in a bubble of a feudal society where, to question decisions are discouraged.
Sadly for those that ruin run this country they need to realise and understand they are but a pustle upon the financial issues in this world, they can and without a doubt will see Thailand being thrown into the worlds financial oceans as jetsam and as bait and food for other financial sharks.
Indeed the future is bleak in more ways than one. Could be a big financial bang(s) coming.
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Post by chiangmai on Oct 8, 2023 12:06:22 GMT 7
A pustle, that's a bit strong for a Sunday isn't it SP!
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Post by Mosha on Oct 8, 2023 12:24:40 GMT 7
Does this have all the makings of a Thai inspired SE Asian crash all over again?
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Post by chiangmai on Oct 8, 2023 13:28:16 GMT 7
Does this have all the makings of a Thai inspired SE Asian crash all over again? No, I don't think there are any similarities. The '97 crash was caused by: 1) the baht hard pegged to USD at 25. 2) excessive foreign currency loans 3) foreign currency reserves that were unavailable because they were all tied up in long dated securities. Today, none of those conditions exist, in fact, the opposite exists to an extreme, in every case. The worst I can see happening here is that the gov takes on more debt. But at circa 60% today it is really quite low by comparison. Even at 70% it's still low, at 80% things get uncomfortable, at 90% the economy begins to compete with the west for debt levels and loses it's currency advantage. And let's not forget, the Revenue has not even begun to increase the tax haul and there's plenty of scope to do that.
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Post by chiangmai on Oct 8, 2023 14:03:29 GMT 7
One way the tax haul could be increased is to increase VAT from 7% to 8%, 7% is already very very low by comparison.
A more focussed way would be to decrease the deduction that self employed people can take for costs against profit. Currently, huge numbers of people who work for themselves deduct 60% of their income as cost overheads when the reality is the true figure is much much lower. Reduce the deduction to say 50% and the tax haul will increase, leaving those with truly higher costs to file an itemised return rather than take the blanket deduction.....nobody actually loses in that scenario but nobody gets a freebie either.
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Post by siampolee on Oct 8, 2023 16:37:05 GMT 7
As I see it the problem is a self serving administration that is focused on its members personal interest as opposed the country as a whole. A finance minister who is totally bereft of any understanding of economic issues, thus totally clueless and who never nor won't listen or see when any advice is given, he (and his puppet master(s)) totally ignores it nor will look to see or even begin to understand what is happening in the big wide fiscal world. The engine that drives the Thai economy in his and band of brothers eyes is tourism and farming. Sadly very outdated fiscal engines. The end result of it all will be an economic disaster or Thailand and the man and woman in the street. The privileged few will of be of course ensconced in safe havens elsewhere. China, Germany, Australia, America, the UK to name but a few bolt holes.
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Post by siampolee on Oct 8, 2023 17:32:00 GMT 7
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