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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 13:30:35 GMT 7
How exactly did you come to the inaccurate assumption that soutpeel is devoid of 'education'? Please clarify. BTW, imagination is a more valuable an asset than knowledge. Without inquiry based, creative thinking, you are a merely a parrot and the piece of paper you acquired is only good to wipe your posteriour on if you can't apply it in practical terms.
Really? How much do you charge?
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Post by cmk on Feb 3, 2016 14:02:29 GMT 7
How exactly did you come to the inaccurate assumption that soutpeel is devoid of 'education'? Please clarify. BTW, imagination is a more valuable an asset than knowledge. Without inquiry based, creative thinking, you are a merely a parrot and the piece of paper you acquired is only good to wipe your posteriour on if you can't apply it in practical terms. Really? How much do you charge? People who are educated understand the value of education. You, for example, if educated would know that imagination is totally unimportant for almost all college degrees. I don't want my doctor to try an imaginative new cure for my food poisoning. The standard treatment will be fine. I don't want my broker to try a imaginative new stock purchase plan. I want him to execute my orders just like his father did. Education involves going to school until one has the necessary tools to take on a profession. Little do do with homespun wisdom. Anyone who thinks Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton are not smart/intellegent (they may be a lot of other things good or bad) is mentally challenged or from another planet. My normal consulting fee is 3600 baht per hour. Henry Ford once sued the Chicago Tribune for slander because it called him an ignorant anarchist. Ford’s wrong answers in court included believing that the Revolutionary War happened in 1812 and that Benedict Arnold was a writer. One of the richest and most famous men in was made to look like he belonged in a comedy show, court transcripts of his testimony began to hit the streets and become popular reading. Ford was an ignorant anarchist right at home with most of the tradesmen in his factory.
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Post by pathumseb on Feb 3, 2016 14:06:09 GMT 7
How exactly did you come to the inaccurate assumption that soutpeel is devoid of 'education'? Please clarify. BTW, imagination is a more valuable an asset than knowledge. Without inquiry based, creative thinking, you are a merely a parrot and the piece of paper you acquired is only good to wipe your posteriour on if you can't apply it in practical terms. Really? How much do you charge? Imagination worthless? I think not. What about architecture? Having the imagination to write a new and innovative computer programme ? You also need a good imagination to teach and educate IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 14:20:07 GMT 7
How exactly did you come to the inaccurate assumption that soutpeel is devoid of 'education'? Please clarify. BTW, imagination is a more valuable an asset than knowledge. Without inquiry based, creative thinking, you are a merely a parrot and the piece of paper you acquired is only good to wipe your posteriour on if you can't apply it in practical terms. Really? How much do you charge? People who are educated understand the value of education. You, for example, if educated would know that imagination is totally unimportant for almost all college degrees. I don't want my doctor to try an imaginative new cure for my food poisoning. The standard treatment will be fine. I don't want my broker to try a imaginative new stock purchase plan. I want him to execute my orders just like his father did. Education involves going to school until one has the necessary tools to take on a profession. Little do do with homespun wisdom. Anyone who thinks Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton are not smart/intellegent (they may be a lot of other things good or bad) is mentally challenged or from another planet. My normal consulting fee is 3600 baht per hour. Incorrect actually, education without utilizing imagination and incentive in execution is rote learning is what I am asserting. Imagination is inquiring minds, without an inquiring mind you know the book but you can't apply it. The context you are using the terminology 'education' is not the one I am referring to. An 'educated ' individual does not necessarily make him or her 'smart' it makes them well read but if incapable of critical thinking then they are merely one of the sheep who has read a lot of material and the end result is a degree. A piece of paper does not make you 'smart'. There are different types of smarts as you well know. Not quantum physics or rocket science here. 3600/hour? So you are claiming that for around USD 100 you can turn a diswasher into a lawyer? You must have people banging down your door.
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Post by cmk on Feb 3, 2016 14:22:30 GMT 7
How exactly did you come to the inaccurate assumption that soutpeel is devoid of 'education'? Please clarify. BTW, imagination is a more valuable an asset than knowledge. Without inquiry based, creative thinking, you are a merely a parrot and the piece of paper you acquired is only good to wipe your posteriour on if you can't apply it in practical terms. Really? How much do you charge? Imagination worthless? I think not. What about architecture? Having the imagination to write a new and innovative computer programme ? You also need a good imagination to teach and educate IMO. The reason people don't use the quote function is they misquote. Did I say Imagination worthless? No. Why did you misquote me? Trying to start an argument based in things I didn't say? I wrote, "imagination is totally unimportant for almost all college degrees." What is the difference between an architect and an architectural draftsman? What is the difference between an architect and an artist who draws pictures of buildings?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 14:29:38 GMT 7
And I am saying you are wrong...I didn't misquote you, retrace back and read.
Einstein himself, considered a dullwitted student by his teachers, stated that "A person does not need to go to college to learn facts. He can learn them from books. The value of a liberal arts college education is that it trains the mind to think. Imagination is much more important than knowledge".
“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”
Albert knew what he was talking about.
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Post by cmk on Feb 3, 2016 14:38:25 GMT 7
People who are educated understand the value of education. You, for example, if educated would know that imagination is totally unimportant for almost all college degrees. I don't want my doctor to try an imaginative new cure for my food poisoning. The standard treatment will be fine. I don't want my broker to try a imaginative new stock purchase plan. I want him to execute my orders just like his father did. Education involves going to school until one has the necessary tools to take on a profession. Little do do with homespun wisdom. Anyone who thinks Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton are not smart/intellegent (they may be a lot of other things good or bad) is mentally challenged or from another planet. My normal consulting fee is 3600 baht per hour. Incorrect actually, education without utilizing imagination and incentive in execution is rote learning is what I am asserting. Imagination is inquiring minds, without an inquiring mind you know the book but you can't apply it. The context you are using the terminology 'education' is not the one I am referring to. An 'educated ' individual does not necessarily make him or her 'smart' it makes them well read but if incapable of critical thinking then they are merely one of the sheep who has read a lot of material and the end result is a degree. A piece of paper does not make you 'smart'. There are different types of smarts as you well know. Not quantum physics or rocket science here. 3600/hour? So you are claiming that for around USD 100 you can turn a diswasher into a lawyer? You must have people banging down your door. I'm not incorrect. You don't have the credentials (paper) to call me incorrect. A piece of paper is a piece of paper. A degree is a degree. They are not the same thing. You get a Juris Doctorate which gives you the right to take the bar examination which upon passing you can practice law. Nothing to do with a piece of paper. Anybody can draw plans on a piece of paper but it takes a whole group of certified professionals to begin construction. I have an MA in education. I taught education on a college level. Most elementary education majors that I met were not as bright as the average high school grad. But they had the fortitude to spend 4 more years of rote learning and get a degree and a certificate to teach. Very few people take courses in critical thinking. I'll bet you don't know the name of one course in critical thinking (without calling it critical thinking) or what department teaches it. Please tell me what a doctor, lawyer, broker needs to learn that can't be learned by rote learning? A doctor or lawyer or broker do things the same way another person has done them because that works. I teach a person English by repetition and memorizing words in English and repeating them over and over again. I remember in English class in college when I told the professor I'd decided to use punctuation in a different more imaginative way than he was teaching. Ha ha ha.
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Post by cmk on Feb 3, 2016 14:46:22 GMT 7
And I am saying you are wrong...I didn't misquote you, retrace back and read. Einstein himself, considered a dullwitted student by his teachers, stated that "A person does not need to go to college to learn facts. He can learn them from books. The value of a liberal arts college education is that it trains the mind to think. Imagination is much more important than knowledge". “Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.” Albert knew what he was talking about. I've run a lot of businesses. I told all my executives, "I don't want any creativity. I want execution." I'm the creative guy - you stick to the rules - my rules. We serve coke. We don't run out of coke and we don't serve Pepsi. I don't need any new ideas. This is my business and my name on the door so do it my way. If you want to be imaginative and do things your way open your own business. Mac's has 9000 restaurants because of doing it one way. Mac's doesn't poison people because they do things the same safe way in every mac's all over the world. There is 1 Einstein and 9000 mac's. There is one Bill Gates. Mass production works because everyone is a little bee doing little bee work and one queen in the main office churning out ideas.
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Post by Soutpeel on Feb 3, 2016 14:47:49 GMT 7
Struggle to see the point your making, just because some one has a Juris degree or a bit of paper from Wharton...doesn't make them a good politician or even a good political candidate. the fact one has spent many years in higher education doesn't infer someone is wise, just because someone maybe book smart, doesn't follow that they are intelligent, I know of Phd guys who couldn't find their way to the toilet unless you held them by the hand and showed them. politics attracts lawyer type simply because there are very similar personality traits, both lawyers and politicians are self serving, power hungry, lying, cheating bastards without a degree of empathy for anyone except themselves... In the post you didn't include that I was answering what you wrote. "Trump, Palin and Hilary in a threesome....by my mathematical calculations...that's one brain cell between them" Notice no mention of good politician or good political candidate. You said brain cells. Money is the judge of most things. So how much does a high school dropout make the first year he drops out of high school? Wharton grads make 2 and one half million baht a year and Yale Law school is the best law school in the USA and doesn't admit dummies. So that piece of paper is called a degree and the USA spends 8% of its budget on education. You wrote, " both lawyers and politicians are self serving, power hungry, lying, cheating bastards without a degree of empathy for anyone except themselves... ." Gandhi was a lawyer. Lincoln was a politician. I could name a 10,000 more who are the exact opposite of your statement. I do agree though with one thing you wrote. A PhD who would hang around with you is probably not the brightest fellow in the world. You have a strong anti education bias stemming from little education yourself. OK I can understand that but the rest of the world evaluates people based on education and accomplishment. Trump made a large fortune out of a small one and Hillary was Secretary of State and is running for the Presidency of the most important, powerful, richest country in the world. To say Trump and Clinton are not intelligent only demonstrates your bias and not reality. Book smart means a foundation in history as opposed to listening to the village elders chant. Book smart is what took the world into the modern era as a result of the printing press (perhaps the most important invention in history). I'm book smart. Einstein was book smart. Everyone holding a position of importance in the modern world is book smart. You learned how to speak and write English from a book. We could not be having this conversation in the INTERNET if it were not for book smart people. Unintelligent people do manual labor the same as a savage out of the bush for two weeks can be trained to do. I can train a dishwasher in 20 minutes it takes 15 years of structured education to become a lawyer. Of all of the lawyer candidates only the best of the best get into Yale law school. Henry Ford was one of the brightest and most important men in the history of the world. You should watch the movie on Netflix about him. He really could have used an education. As rich and powerful as he was he came across as an illiterate imbecile in person. His kids didn't respect him and the country laughed at him. He was also a supporter of Hitler and an anti Semite because of his lace of education. He could have done so much more and been respected as well as rich. oh dear what happened to your remarks about agendas personal attacks and "facts"...you have have high lighted another "politician trait"- hypocrisy "anti education" ...funny that I hold an engineering degree, and i have done plenty of manual labour in my time..you post stinks of smug arrogance and the belief that your better than everyone else Old Hillary should be in jail for the server/email thing...and Uncle Donald made his money on the back of Daddy's money and contacts...
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Post by cmk on Feb 3, 2016 15:39:15 GMT 7
In the post you didn't include that I was answering what you wrote. "Trump, Palin and Hilary in a threesome....by my mathematical calculations...that's one brain cell between them" Notice no mention of good politician or good political candidate. You said brain cells. Money is the judge of most things. So how much does a high school dropout make the first year he drops out of high school? Wharton grads make 2 and one half million baht a year and Yale Law school is the best law school in the USA and doesn't admit dummies. So that piece of paper is called a degree and the USA spends 8% of its budget on education. You wrote, " both lawyers and politicians are self serving, power hungry, lying, cheating bastards without a degree of empathy for anyone except themselves... ." Gandhi was a lawyer. Lincoln was a politician. I could name a 10,000 more who are the exact opposite of your statement. I do agree though with one thing you wrote. A PhD who would hang around with you is probably not the brightest fellow in the world. You have a strong anti education bias stemming from little education yourself. OK I can understand that but the rest of the world evaluates people based on education and accomplishment. Trump made a large fortune out of a small one and Hillary was Secretary of State and is running for the Presidency of the most important, powerful, richest country in the world. To say Trump and Clinton are not intelligent only demonstrates your bias and not reality. Book smart means a foundation in history as opposed to listening to the village elders chant. Book smart is what took the world into the modern era as a result of the printing press (perhaps the most important invention in history). I'm book smart. Einstein was book smart. Everyone holding a position of importance in the modern world is book smart. You learned how to speak and write English from a book. We could not be having this conversation in the INTERNET if it were not for book smart people. Unintelligent people do manual labor the same as a savage out of the bush for two weeks can be trained to do. I can train a dishwasher in 20 minutes it takes 15 years of structured education to become a lawyer. Of all of the lawyer candidates only the best of the best get into Yale law school. Henry Ford was one of the brightest and most important men in the history of the world. You should watch the movie on Netflix about him. He really could have used an education. As rich and powerful as he was he came across as an illiterate imbecile in person. His kids didn't respect him and the country laughed at him. He was also a supporter of Hitler and an anti Semite because of his lace of education. He could have done so much more and been respected as well as rich. oh dear what happened to your remarks about agendas personal attacks and "facts"...you have have high lighted another "politician trait"- hypocrisy "anti education" ...funny that I hold an engineering degree, and i have done plenty of manual labour in my time..you post stinks of smug arrogance and the belief that your better than everyone else Old Hillary should be in jail for the server/email thing...and Uncle Donald made his money on the back of Daddy's money and contacts... I have a blind side about engineers. My dad was an engineer. A famous one at that. President of the society of Automotive engineers and coverboy for many trade publications but had no knowledge of history, literature, arts and the list goes on and on. He designed the technology that made American subs quiet and was instrumental in the production of America's first atomic sub he was a spy in WWII decorated by the President. But. His English was terrible. He knew nothing about the history of the world and USA. He believed in the Bible (literal 7 days and that stuff) and he was a drunk. Most rich kids that I knew lost the family fortune. Trump took a little money and made it into a lot of money. That's hard to do. He, like most rich kids could have parked his ass in a bar and drank his life away with floozies. That's what I did. Don however, don't drink and he made tons of money on his dad's money and connections. It's not easy. I agree with you Hillary should be in jail but that goes way back to when she was a partner at the Rose law firm (one of top law firms in the USA). She had a nickname there, one of three partners the other two went to jail I think. I can't remember what the nickname was. I lived in Arkansas then and Bill used to drink at my disco. I had some real scumbag friends back then. Crack, coke and Clinton. Most people don't realize but Arkansas (Little Rock and Hotsprings) was like Pattaya when Bill ran things except Arkansas also had gambling and horse racing. He made the convicts donate blood and sold it to Canada - what a guy. Bill and Hillary. Liked Bill but didn't trust him. He hunted with my brother in law. Hillary - never liked her. But both of them very smart. One of Hillary's professors told me I had forgotten more about the American political system than Hillary ever knew but he may have been kidding. I'm smug and arrogant yup check that one off. And smarter than most people I know. If I hadn't been a drunk and floozy chaser I may have amounted to something instead of passing the time away till I die surrounded by beautiful young Thai women and typing on my wide screen curved monitor listening to life through my new Sony headphones.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 16:06:43 GMT 7
Incorrect actually, education without utilizing imagination and incentive in execution is rote learning is what I am asserting. Imagination is inquiring minds, without an inquiring mind you know the book but you can't apply it. The context you are using the terminology 'education' is not the one I am referring to. An 'educated ' individual does not necessarily make him or her 'smart' it makes them well read but if incapable of critical thinking then they are merely one of the sheep who has read a lot of material and the end result is a degree. A piece of paper does not make you 'smart'. There are different types of smarts as you well know. Not quantum physics or rocket science here. 3600/hour? So you are claiming that for around USD 100 you can turn a diswasher into a lawyer? You must have people banging down your door. I'm not incorrect. You don't have the credentials (paper) to call me incorrect. A piece of paper is a piece of paper. A degree is a degree. They are not the same thing. You get a Juris Doctorate which gives you the right to take the bar examination which upon passing you can practice law. Nothing to do with a piece of paper. Anybody can draw plans on a piece of paper but it takes a whole group of certified professionals to begin construction. I have an MA in education. I taught education on a college level. Most elementary education majors that I met were not as bright as the average high school grad. But they had the fortitude to spend 4 more years of rote learning and get a degree and a certificate to teach. Very few people take courses in critical thinking. I'll bet you don't know the name of one course in critical thinking (without calling it critical thinking) or what department teaches it. Please tell me what a doctor, lawyer, broker needs to learn that can't be learned by rote learning? A doctor or lawyer or broker do things the same way another person has done them because that works. I teach a person English by repetition and memorizing words in English and repeating them over and over again. I remember in English class in college when I told the professor I'd decided to use punctuation in a different more imaginative way than he was teaching. Ha ha ha. before you make that assumption, you better know who your target is, who you are dealing with and what I do. Thanks for the laugh. I prefer not to do an upmanship here on bits of paper and degrees, wouldn't want you to feel inferior.
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Post by cmk on Feb 3, 2016 17:09:25 GMT 7
I'm not incorrect. You don't have the credentials (paper) to call me incorrect. A piece of paper is a piece of paper. A degree is a degree. They are not the same thing. You get a Juris Doctorate which gives you the right to take the bar examination which upon passing you can practice law. Nothing to do with a piece of paper. Anybody can draw plans on a piece of paper but it takes a whole group of certified professionals to begin construction. I have an MA in education. I taught education on a college level. Most elementary education majors that I met were not as bright as the average high school grad. But they had the fortitude to spend 4 more years of rote learning and get a degree and a certificate to teach. Very few people take courses in critical thinking. I'll bet you don't know the name of one course in critical thinking (without calling it critical thinking) or what department teaches it. Please tell me what a doctor, lawyer, broker needs to learn that can't be learned by rote learning? A doctor or lawyer or broker do things the same way another person has done them because that works. I teach a person English by repetition and memorizing words in English and repeating them over and over again. I remember in English class in college when I told the professor I'd decided to use punctuation in a different more imaginative way than he was teaching. Ha ha ha. before you make that assumption, you better know who your target is, who you are dealing with and what I do. Thanks for the laugh. I prefer not to do an upmanship here on bits of paper and degrees, wouldn't want you to feel inferior. An intellegent man would want to take advantage of a person who had personal knowledge of the Clinton's in both in Politics and college. I fit that description. I know Bill and Hillary. You want to talk about education. I have taught thousands of children and young adults in both the US and Thailand. I don't like Hillary. But to say she is stupid which started this conversation is ignorant. You don't do the things she's done and go to the schools she has gone to and be ignorant and if you think so you are mentally handicapped. I know you all don't want any real knowledge about the candidates for the American Presidency and use the election for more anti American invective. My points are simple. Trump and Clinton are very well educated and intelligent people. Maybe not nice or moral or ethical but bright and well educated.
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Post by me on Feb 3, 2016 17:39:24 GMT 7
before you make that assumption, you better know who your target is, who you are dealing with and what I do. Thanks for the laugh. I prefer not to do an upmanship here on bits of paper and degrees, wouldn't want you to feel inferior. An intellegent man would want to take advantage of a person who had personal knowledge of the Clinton's in both in Politics and college. I fit that description. I know Bill and Hillary. You want to talk about education. I have taught thousands of children and young adults in both the US and Thailand. I don't like Hillary. But to say she is stupid which started this conversation is ignorant. You don't do the things she's done and go to the schools she has gone to and be ignorant and if you think so you are mentally handicapped. I know you all don't want any real knowledge about the candidates for the American Presidency and use the election for more anti American invective. My points are simple. Trump and Clinton are very well educated and intelligent people. Maybe not nice or moral or ethical but bright and well educated. i would question the well educated in that statement. There is no no doubt they are educated. But well implies that there there is a direction, particualy a moral one in that education.,
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Post by Soutpeel on Feb 3, 2016 17:51:20 GMT 7
before you make that assumption, you better know who your target is, who you are dealing with and what I do. Thanks for the laugh. I prefer not to do an upmanship here on bits of paper and degrees, wouldn't want you to feel inferior. An intellegent man would want to take advantage of a person who had personal knowledge of the Clinton's in both in Politics and college. I fit that description. I know Bill and Hillary. You want to talk about education. I have taught thousands of children and young adults in both the US and Thailand. I don't like Hillary. But to say she is stupid which started this conversation is ignorant. You don't do the things she's done and go to the schools she has gone to and be ignorant and if you think so you are mentally handicapped. I know you all don't want any real knowledge about the candidates for the American Presidency and use the election for more anti American invective. My points are simple. Trump and Clinton are very well educated and intelligent people. Maybe not nice or moral or ethical but bright and well educated. and there it is boys and girls, wondered how long it was going to before ..." use the election for more anti American"....accusations started.... for the record no one has made any "anti american" remarks in this thread... I will ask a similar question to one I asked of the colonial cousins on the other channel and got suspended for...why is it that certain colonial cousins every time they start getting into a robust debate start hurling the "vile anti-american rhetoric" comment at people who disagree with them ?...in an other era one supposes the same people would be branding those who disagreed with them "commies" so maybe less of the childish insults and falling back on hollow accusations aimed at posters who disagree with you dear boy...the fact that someone has to even resort to such childish name calling gives great insight to the intellect of the person making such accusations....your branding "<Bunny boiler>" "mentally handicapped" is no different from comments made about the Clinton's etc....there is a word in the English language for this...what is it again....?...."hypocrite" I think it is...seeing as you claim to have a MA in education, one supposes I don't have to give you a definition of the word...
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