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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 13:52:09 GMT 7
Bangkok-based Buddhist monk Maha Aphichat is among a growing group of Thai monks who feel their religion is under threat from Islam. Anti-Islamic sentiment is brewing in Thailand, spurred-on by Buddhist monks who feel that their religion is under threat from Islam. This fear mongering has been exacerbated by the ongoing political conflict within Thai Buddhism, the 12-year-old armed-insurgency in Thailand’s deep south, and the growing influence of Buddhist radicals in neighboring Myanmar. Bangkok-based Buddhist monk Maha Aphichat is unafraid of speaking his mind. The 30-year-old gained notoriety last October, after he urged Thai Buddhists on social media to burn down a mosque for every monk killed in the country's Malay-Muslim dominated south. An insurgency that has raged for more than 12 years there has killed almost 20 Buddhist monks and injured many more. Continues: www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/prominent-buddhist-monk/2497804.html
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Post by Soutpeel on Feb 8, 2016 14:00:11 GMT 7
and this is surprising how ?
Organised religions have been responsible for more deaths and wars over the history of mankind than all the other reasons put together...
"my imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 14:25:50 GMT 7
and this is surprising how ? Organised religions have been responsible for more deaths and wars over the history of mankind than all the other reasons put together... "my imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend" I watched nine young Muslim girls/women walk past me last night in Chiang Mai, their mother ushering them along. It reminded me that a pal in South Thailand says they have a breeding programme to take over the country by numbers. I'll withhold judgement on that - but there's no doubt there's planty of fear and alarm among many Buddhist communities as to the spread of Islam.
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Post by rgs2001uk on Feb 8, 2016 15:06:41 GMT 7
I live among what could best be called a Buddist community, it is surrounded by other Buddhist communities I also visit.
I have never experienced any fear or alarm, I have never heard mention of it amongst the locals. What I see everyday is normal people getting on with their life. I see Muslims drinking with non Muslims, I see Muslim women mixing with non Muslims.
One of my friends I didnt even know was Muslim, only found out when I bought some pork luk chin and offered them to her, she told me she couldnt eat because she was Muslim, she had no problem knocking back the beer though. One of the guys up the soi has one of the best whisky collections I have seen.
The ones that seem to have the problems are the farangs that bring their western mindset to Thailand, the same farangs that move to Muslim areas and then complain about mosque speakers being too loud.
I have mentioned before, they are one of the few groups of people here I will do business with. When a Muslim tells me he will be at the house at 9 in the morning, 9 in the morning is when he shows up. They dont appear to have a DGAF attitude some others do, they have never once tried to borrow money from me, they have never once offered to sell me land, never once have I been asked to find a husband for their daughters, etc etc etc.
The mrs and I use their food shops, because, they make the best beef mattsaman, kua kling and pat satow, they also dont have dogs on the premises, so no hygenie issues.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 16:04:51 GMT 7
I live among what could best be called a Buddist community, it is surrounded by other Buddhist communities I also visit. I have never experienced any fear or alarm, I have never heard mention of it amongst the locals. What I see everyday is normal people getting on with their life. I see Muslims drinking with non Muslims, I see Muslim women mixing with non Muslims. One of my friends I didnt even know was Muslim, only found out when I bought some pork luk chin and offered them to her, she told me she couldnt eat because she was Muslim, she had no problem knocking back the beer though. One of the guys up the soi has one of the best whisky collections I have seen. The ones that seem to have the problems are the farangs that bring their western mindset to Thailand, the same farangs that move to Muslim areas and then complain about mosque speakers being too loud. I have mentioned before, they are one of the few groups of people here I will do business with. When a Muslim tells me he will be at the house at 9 in the morning, 9 in the morning is when he shows up. They dont appear to have a DGAF attitude some others do, they have never once tried to borrow money from me, they have never once offered to sell me land, never once have I been asked to find a husband for their daughters, etc etc etc. The mrs and I use their food shops, because, they make the best beef mattsaman, kua kling and pat satow, they also dont have dogs on the premises, so no hygenie issues. You live in Bangkok, right? Setting aside the effective apartheid thats taking place in Southern Thailand where the two communities are gathering in ghetto villages, ( think Northen Ireland and you won't be wrong ) you'll find that some of the villages in the north are alarmed at the amount of Muslims pouring in. The border town of Mae Sai is one example, where the Muslim community has grown rapidly. Its also, for me, stunning to see Thai women in Burqhas living in Pai. My Thai pals couldn't believe their eyes either. You don't even see that in the Muslim part of Chiang Mai. There was a long-running protest in a northern village ( in Kan I believe ) against plans for the local Muslims to build a mosque in the village. www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1425282802 Don't be kidded from your Bangkok-centric point of view that there's not serious friction between Buddhists and Muslims. Plenty of Buddhists are heartily sick of the Southern troubles, sick that their Temples have been desecrated, and been forced to be abandoned, sick that their monks have been targeted for assassination, and sick of the general "ISIS/Terrorist," meme. As long as the terrorists stick to the deep South things will rub along as normal. If they start Erawan-style bombings in the capital - all bets are off.
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Post by rgs2001uk on Feb 8, 2016 16:11:33 GMT 7
Not kidded by a Bkk centric point of view, I travel around Thailand on a regular basis.
Maybe those Muslims are pouring into the north because they to are sickend by whats taking place in the south.
Why should Thai women wearing burquas bother you?
The history of the south is well known and documented, and I wont be drawn into commenting on it on here.
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Post by Soutpeel on Feb 8, 2016 16:22:28 GMT 7
I am glad I am an Atheist/Agnostic or what ever the appropriate title is
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Post by siampolee on Feb 8, 2016 16:54:18 GMT 7
Born again drinker me so no problems. However I feel that blether is making a snap judgement on a matter that he has little knowledge of apart from the press on a situation he has little contact with. Like rgs2001 I have over the years had a good many Muslim friends and they were and still are true friends.I worked for two years in a private international Muslim school as a departmental head. No bias no hate we had staff from all religions including Jews and assorted Semite nations. Strange how those delightful anti abortion Christian groups in the U.S.A who have murdered, maimed and generally harassed abortion clinic staff and their clients as well as perpetrated arson and explosive attacks are in the main ignored. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tak_Bai_incidenten.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Thailand_insurgencywww.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A63714-2004Oct26.html
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Post by Soutpeel on Feb 8, 2016 18:24:18 GMT 7
Born again drinker me so no problems. However I feel that blether is making a snap judgement on a matter that he has little knowledge of apart from the press on a situation he has little contact with. Like rgs2001 I have over the years had a good many Muslim friends and they were and still are true friends.I worked for two years in a private international Muslim school as a departmental head. No bias no hate we had staff from all religions including Jews and assorted Semite nations. Strange how those delightful anti abortion Christian groups in the U.S.A who have murdered, maimed and generally harassed abortion clinic staff and their clients as well as perpetrated arson and explosive attacks are in the main ignored. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tak_Bai_incidenten.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Thailand_insurgencywww.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A63714-2004Oct26.htmlI dont have a problem with any ones religion or belief system, but where I take exception is when they try an force "their" version of reality on others... Like you guys, I have good friends who are Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, Hindi etc and never had a problem
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 19:30:25 GMT 7
I detest burqhas, no matter in which country they are worn. As far as I'm concerned they are a symbol of female oppression. Strange how so many Arabian women in particular will dress in a Western fashion when in the West, and change back to burqhas before their flight arrives back into their home countries - for fear of the beatings or worse they will get if seen "immodest."
Disappointed that this has turned into a "I've got more Muslim pals than you contest." If you believe that, you are deluded - my wealth has been derived from the Muslim community. Among the many weddings and other celebrations, I've also had the privilege of burying Muslim friends by hand, as is tradition.
Anyone that's traveled extensively in the south knows that the community has fractured into ghettos a la Northern Ireland. Nan is only one visible example of the type of resentment that has erupted in many smaller Thai communities in regards to the influx of Muslims. Whether or not they are fleeing the southern troubles - they are not welcome and treated with suspicion.
Not so bad in the bigger cities, resented in the smaller communities.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 20:24:30 GMT 7
That's not exactly true blether. Having worked in Brunei, Malay, Qatar, Dubai, Abu Dhabi with breaks in most surrounding places, you're talking about Saudi, which is hard core Islam. I have many friends in the South of Thai.They don't resent Muslims, they resent the army, nobody gives a rat's a who is goring who's gawd as long as there is peace.
I wore a baju kurong in Brunei, burka in M.E. who cares. I see Cantonese women wearing the gear, nobody cares.
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Post by siampolee on Feb 8, 2016 20:44:50 GMT 7
Take note of how people in villages in the U.K. treat outsiders there is still deep division and suspicion.My family have lived in the same area now for some 500 years and in the same old manor house for 300 years and farmed the same land plus a bit more since their arrival some 500 years ago yet our neighbors whose ancestral grandfather arrived some 80 years since as our estate manager are still regarded as ''outsiders.''
To compound the fact that they are still''aliens the poor buggers are prominent practicing Roman Catholics too and even the more establish accepted local R.C.families view them with caution
In truth not so different from here in Thailand
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Post by rgs2001uk on Feb 8, 2016 21:18:15 GMT 7
I detest burqhas, no matter in which country they are worn. As far as I'm concerned they are a symbol of female oppression. Strange how so many Arabian women in particular will dress in a Western fashion when in the West, and change back to burqhas before their flight arrives back into their home countries - for fear of the beatings or worse they will get if seen "immodest." Disappointed that this has turned into a "I've got more Muslim pals than you contest." If you believe that, you are deluded - my wealth has been derived from the Muslim community. Among the many weddings and other celebrations, I've also had the privilege of burying Muslim friends by hand, as is tradition. Anyone that's traveled extensively in the south knows that the community has fractured into ghettos a la Northern Ireland. Nan is only one visible example of the type of resentment that has erupted in many smaller Thai communities in regards to the influx of Muslims. Whether or not they are fleeing the southern troubles - they are not welcome and treated with suspicion. Not so bad in the bigger cities, resented in the smaller communities. Sounds like you are the one with the problem, do you feel the same way about the burquas seen in Glasgow, what do your Muslim/Pakistani friends say about that? Again, as far as you are concerned, strange how no one wants to talk about FGM or in breeding for fear of be called anti XXXXX or racist, the same mentallity that gave rise to places such as Rotherham. Nothing to do with I've got more pals or not, its the people I live amongst every day. Far from deluded. Ask your Muslim friends if they would give you their daughters hand, no need for you to revert to Islam, how would they mind if the kids were raised as Christains? Who is selling the land to these Muslims? I see the same resentment in Bkk, these people are loaded, land worth millions of $$$$$. They have similair views and outlook on life as I do, hard work, childrens education, proactive, plan for tomorrow, save for a rainy day, sometimes referred to as protestant work ethic, the sabai sabai mai pen rai hammock swingers are the ones with the problem, instead of resenting, copy. Strange I should come half way round the world to meet people with similair values, very much like the Chinese. Not welcome, same could be said for bargirls bringing the buffalo home to the village, farang macmansion complete with 3 metre high gates installed, same farangs that are resented because they wont buy the hammock swingers drink and give out money willy nilly.
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Post by rgs2001uk on Feb 8, 2016 21:23:43 GMT 7
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Post by cmk on Feb 8, 2016 21:29:37 GMT 7
There is a Muslim jewelry shop in Rayong that I've shopped in a couple of times over the past ten years.
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