AyG
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Post by AyG on Apr 5, 2016 10:00:33 GMT 7
Just read a short piece about the National Savings Fund (a voluntary pension fund for non-formal workers). It's got me worked up. The fund is largely aimed at the poorest (and almost certainly least financial literate) in society. You'd expect it to be designed to benefit them. I'm far from sure it does. However, first the good points: - It encourages regular, monthly savings, with a very low minimum (50 baht)
- Part of the contribution is topped up 50% by the government, with maximum top-up of 600-1,200 baht/year, according to age.
Now for the bad part: the investment approach (bearing in mind that some people will be investing for up to 45 or 50 years): - 60-70% of investment will be in bank deposits, with the balance in BBB- and better bonds
- The target investment return is 1.8% before charges, with a likely return (after charges) of less than 1.5%/year.
My gripes: - The investment will not keep up with inflation, so the future pensioner is in effect losing money
- With such a long time horizon it would be appropriate to include investments with a near certainty of beating inflation
- If downside risk is a serious concern, structured products could have been used to protect capital
- 0.3+% charges for putting money into a few bank accounts? Excessive.
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Post by rgs2001uk on Apr 5, 2016 12:01:18 GMT 7
Having been offered some of the financial packages by some banks, they only observation I have, they are for the financially illiterate.
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Post by Fletchsmile on Apr 5, 2016 14:03:12 GMT 7
From what I've read about this, my thoughts are similar: Not a great scheme. However, better than nothing. If it encourages people to save for their futures it can't be all bad, and some top up by the government will encourage people who perhaps wouldn't normally save. The concept of saving for some people is collecting empty lao khao bottles Harsh to say that but many do do nothing. Future planning is having kids. So at least this scheme is a start. The UK would do well to focus more on contributions today funding retirement in the future for the people paying into the state scheme instead of funding current retirees out of current earners. When it comes to Thai pension schemes/ provident funds etc, unfortunately they are still usually conservative about what they invest in. My previous scheme I took the "most risky option" of 30% equities 70% fixed income. You couldn't do more than 30% equities. Few people choose this option, most choose fixed income only, or 10% or 20% equities. The concept and understanding really isn't there.
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Post by rgs2001uk on Apr 5, 2016 14:19:54 GMT 7
What are they paying out these days, 600 baht per month I think the MiL gets.
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Post by AyG on Apr 5, 2016 17:31:00 GMT 7
What are they paying out these days, 600 baht per month I think the MiL gets. Different scheme. And it's 500 baht/month "Universal Pension Scheme" for those who receive no other benefits. Fairly recently introduced. When the legal minimum wage is 300 baht/ day, to get monthly a tiny, tiny percentage of that after a life of working is an insult.
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Post by rgs2001uk on Apr 5, 2016 20:58:23 GMT 7
^^^^ I know you are an educated man and well versed in the Thai way.
Is that scheme or scam?
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