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Post by chiangmai on Jan 31, 2023 17:16:28 GMT 7
This is a long shot but let me give it a try:
A Mexican man, on holiday in Thailand, goes to an ATM and withdraws 5,000 baht from his bank account in Mexico. The ATM gives him his 5k and......what happens next apart from Fernando heading down to soi 6 for a quickie?
His account in Mexico is debited by an amount equal to 5k Baht, but how is that conversion made and who makes it?
And how does the bank in Mexico return the 5K baht equivalent to the Thai bank?
Is this done via settlement with the central clearing banks of each country, is it done via the BIS or is it done P2P?
The Thai bank doesn't want pesos so is the transaction settled in USD?
And how does the Thai Central Bank end up with Fernando's foreign currency?
Are these things a network function, eg Visa networks?
Any clues, I'll be grateful.
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Post by rubl on Jan 31, 2023 19:47:08 GMT 7
Would it be any different from a Brit withdrawing 5,000 Baht from a British bank account, or a European with a European bank account?
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Post by chiangmai on Jan 31, 2023 23:34:54 GMT 7
Would it be any different from a Brit withdrawing 5,000 Baht from a British bank account, or a European with a European bank account? No, it's all international settlement, how does it work?
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Post by chiangmai on Feb 1, 2023 4:38:29 GMT 7
The question at the heart of this matter is, exactly how does tourist foreign currency help the Thai economy and the Baht. We know that tourist money helps the econony through increased spending and money circulation in the economy, that part is fine. But if the tourist's foreign currency comes from a foreign bank card, how does foreign currency actually get into the country, or doesn't it? Does it enter because of bank/card end of day settlement? If so, how does it work? Poster Fletchsmile knows but he's sleeping.
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Post by rubl on Feb 1, 2023 10:18:17 GMT 7
I would assume that just by spending money in Thailand, money which wasn't in Thailand to start with, the economy is helped. Using foreign cards or foreign paper money especially helps banks of course. The actual process of international settlement I have no idea apart from knowing computers are in volved.
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Post by oldie on Feb 2, 2023 2:15:21 GMT 7
I know an old man about my height that built an entire house in Thailand about 30 years ago by pulling rolls of Thai baht from the wall, from his Australian bank account.
I've got no idea how it worked, except I (I mean he) pushed his card into the slot and money came out 50K at a time (actually it could have been 100K or more, I can't remember. Whatever my daily limit was anyway).
From memory, the exchange rate was no worse than going to a Thai bank or money exchange and doing it on the counter.
There was a couple of dollars in fees, but it wasn't much.
I'm sure there were better ways of doing it, but that was real convenient for him.
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Post by oldie on Feb 2, 2023 10:45:37 GMT 7
I'm guessing the bank in Mexico makes their money from the exchange rate. Ie they buy baht for 50 pesos, and sell it for 60. And the Thai bank makes 50 baht for the pleasure of spitting some money out?
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Post by chiangmai on Feb 2, 2023 12:37:18 GMT 7
I'm guessing the bank in Mexico makes their money from the exchange rate. Ie they buy baht for 50 pesos, and sell it for 60. And the Thai bank makes 50 baht for the pleasure of spitting some money out? I think the Thai bank makes the money from the exchange rate because they issue Baht from their ATM and need to get paid in return, by Fernando's bank in Mexico. Question is, how do they do that? Does the Mexican bank pay the bank in Thailand in peso's or do they buy Dollars and send them to Thailand, I'm pretty sure they don't buy Baht. And if they do buy Dollars, who do they buy them from? I think MAYBE the Thai bank issues a debit against the Mexican bank in Baht, this then gets sent to the BOT once a day at clearing time when all accounts are settled. The BOT then settles the accounts at the national level via the Bank of International Settlements (BIS). At the same time, the Mexican bank sends peso's equal to 5k Baht, to the Mexican clearing bank, which in turn sends it to BIS for settlement. BIS ends up with two transactions which offset and and are routed to the corresponding central banks. BUT BIS does not have its own currency, it only holds currency of its member banks. So BIS has credited the BOT account with funds from the Mexican central bank hence BOT ends up with the foreign currency in its account, which in turn is paid in Baht, to the Thai bank that issued Fernando with the 5k baht from its ATM. I'm only 80/90% on this and need somebody who actually knows what they are talking about to fill in the gaps and correct the process.
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Post by oldie on Feb 2, 2023 15:52:21 GMT 7
I'm guessing the bank in Mexico makes their money from the exchange rate. Ie they buy baht for 50 pesos, and sell it for 60. And the Thai bank makes 50 baht for the pleasure of spitting some money out? I think the Thai bank makes the money from the exchange rate because they issue Baht from their ATM and need to get paid in return, by Fernando's bank in Mexico. Question is, how do they do that? Does the Mexican bank pay the bank in Thailand in peso's or do they buy Dollars and send them to Thailand, I'm pretty sure they don't buy Baht. And if they do buy Dollars, who do they buy them from? I think MAYBE the Thai bank issues a debit against the Mexican bank in Baht, this then gets sent to the BOT once a day at clearing time when all accounts are settled. The BOT then settles the accounts at the national level via the Bank of International Settlements (BIS). At the same time, the Mexican bank sends peso's equal to 5k Baht, to the Mexican clearing bank, which in turn sends it to BIS for settlement. BIS ends up with two transactions which offset and and are routed to the corresponding central banks. BUT BIS does not have its own currency, it only holds currency of its member banks. So BIS has credited the BOT account with funds from the Mexican central bank hence BOT ends up with the foreign currency in its account, which in turn is paid in Baht, to the Thai bank that issued Fernando with the 5k baht from its ATM. I'm only 80/90% on this and need somebody who actually knows what they are talking about to fill in the gaps and correct the process. Hate to say this CM, but maybe you think too mutt. Put in card, get out money. What they do behind my back isn't my ploblem.
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Post by oldie on Feb 2, 2023 15:55:51 GMT 7
My statement from AU bank simply says "withdrawal from Ching Chong bank $Au..." I look at and think "that was ... Thai baht, sounds about right"
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Post by chiangmai on Feb 2, 2023 16:08:34 GMT 7
I think the Thai bank makes the money from the exchange rate because they issue Baht from their ATM and need to get paid in return, by Fernando's bank in Mexico. Question is, how do they do that? Does the Mexican bank pay the bank in Thailand in peso's or do they buy Dollars and send them to Thailand, I'm pretty sure they don't buy Baht. And if they do buy Dollars, who do they buy them from? I think MAYBE the Thai bank issues a debit against the Mexican bank in Baht, this then gets sent to the BOT once a day at clearing time when all accounts are settled. The BOT then settles the accounts at the national level via the Bank of International Settlements (BIS). At the same time, the Mexican bank sends peso's equal to 5k Baht, to the Mexican clearing bank, which in turn sends it to BIS for settlement. BIS ends up with two transactions which offset and and are routed to the corresponding central banks. BUT BIS does not have its own currency, it only holds currency of its member banks. So BIS has credited the BOT account with funds from the Mexican central bank hence BOT ends up with the foreign currency in its account, which in turn is paid in Baht, to the Thai bank that issued Fernando with the 5k baht from its ATM. I'm only 80/90% on this and need somebody who actually knows what they are talking about to fill in the gaps and correct the process. Hate to say this CM, but maybe you think too mutt. Put in card, get out money. What they do behind my back isn't my ploblem. Yes I know, but the problem I'm trying to get to grips with is whether or not Fernandos foreign currency ends up in BOT or not because of the effect that has on the value of the Baht.
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Post by oldie on Feb 2, 2023 16:08:44 GMT 7
Actually, even to the day. The wife has Thai bank accounts, she generally carries a few rolls of 1000 baht notes in her handbag. When we arrive at Swampy we normally just slap the card in the machine and pull out some more baht, and continue on our way. It's just easy, and I don't think it costs much in fees and the like.
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Post by oldie on Feb 2, 2023 16:11:14 GMT 7
Hate to say this CM, but maybe you think too mutt. Put in card, get out money. What they do behind my back isn't my ploblem. Yes I know, but the problem I'm trying to get to grips with is whether or not Fernandos foreign currency ends up in BOT or not because of the effect that has on the value of the Baht. Where's Fletch when you need him. Don't be offended by my gender assumption Fletch, I mean Ms Fletch.
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Post by rubl on Feb 2, 2023 16:37:56 GMT 7
Hate to say this CM, but maybe you think too mutt. Put in card, get out money. What they do behind my back isn't my ploblem. Yes I know, but the problem I'm trying to get to grips with is whether or not Fernandos foreign currency ends up in BOT or not because of the effect that has on the value of the Baht. Dear Ms. CM, it has come to our notice you have some serious doubt on the forex mechanism and its effect on the value of the Thai Baht which you fear decreases your holdings dramatically. Being such a valuable customer we are happy to offer you a special program which will eliminate any problems and doubts you could possibly have. Please fill in the appended form, just the normal name, address, account number and so, and return to us. We will take care of matters from there. With best regards and sincerely yours, Reliable Unit Bank Logistics
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Post by chiangmai on Feb 2, 2023 19:01:14 GMT 7
Yes I know, but the problem I'm trying to get to grips with is whether or not Fernandos foreign currency ends up in BOT or not because of the effect that has on the value of the Baht. Where's Fletch when you need him. Don't be offended by my gender assumption Fletch, I mean Ms Fletch. Either I'm going to punch someone or I'm going to get punched over this gender business, the worlds gone barking.
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