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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 13:36:35 GMT 7
U Ta Pao has lot of potential in terms of flights it could take. I would also love to see Trat opened up for more direct / international flights as it would be a big boost for Eastern Thailand Who said Thai's would need to do the immigration clearance? Airlines already have responsibility for ensuring that their passengers are compliant. On board stamping would be a breeze for the airlines. |
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Post by me on May 1, 2017 14:20:30 GMT 7
U Ta Pao has lot of potential in terms of flights it could take. I would also love to see Trat opened up for more direct / international flights as it would be a big boost for Eastern Thailand Who said Thai's would need to do the immigration clearance? Airlines already have responsibility for ensuring that their passengers are compliant. On board stamping would be a breeze for the airlines. Would you be as much in favour of making your immigration clearance to Britain be done by the airline carrying the passenger? I think you have been known to complain about people wanting to be British immigration officers. |
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Post by me on May 1, 2017 14:51:35 GMT 7
U Ta Pao has lot of potential in terms of flights it could take. I would also love to see Trat opened up for more direct / international flights as it would be a big boost for Eastern Thailand Trat is an airport owned by Bangkok Air and built as a feeder airport and one catering for small aircraft flights to the Thai Islands. It is very limited in aircraft it can serve as it has only a 5000 ft runway. At 25 degree temperatures a mediumly loaded Boeing 737-800 needs a runway of over 7000 ft for takeoff. Stength of runways and taxiway ddimensions would also need consideration as would the airway paths to serve it. It seems it is best suited for the aircraft it is currently flying....ATR7 s or the Dash-8 which are good prop aircraft and may enable flights to Cambodia if there was a demand however this class of aircraft is not overpopular with travellers. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 15:59:22 GMT 7
Who said Thai's would need to do the immigration clearance? Airlines already have responsibility for ensuring that their passengers are compliant. On board stamping would be a breeze for the airlines. Would you be as much in favour of making your immigration clearance to Britain be done by the airline carrying the passenger? I think you have been known to complain about people wanting to be British immigration officers. jezus sufferin - it's like talking to a child. What makes you think there's anything complicated in this? these days we are moving to e-gate technology where you don't see immigration officers at all. And yes, I would have no problem with airlines taking responsibility for immigration services - they have that responsibility already, along with mandatory passenger manifests. I have witnessed AirAsia for example, denying boarding to French passengers who did not have a visa for Vietnam. |
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Post by me on May 1, 2017 16:30:47 GMT 7
Would you be as much in favour of making your immigration clearance to Britain be done by the airline carrying the passenger? I think you have been known to complain about people wanting to be British immigration officers. jezus sufferin - it's like talking to a child. What makes you think there's anything complicated in this? these days we are moving to e-gate technology where you don't see immigration officers at all. And yes, I would have no problem with airlines taking responsibility for immigration services - they have that responsibility already, along with mandatory passenger manifests. I have witnessed AirAsia for example, denying boarding to French passengers who did not have a visa for Vietnam. A visa and the airlines refusal to cary them as it may have to return them is entirely different to a border officer refusing a person with or without a visa entry. Airlines are not provided with nor should they be the information held by the home office. the police computer system and past immigration history. You can have a visa and if the immigration officer decides not to allow entry for his reasons that is an immigration decision not an airline decision. You are advocating allowing unscreened entry to the country. Not to mention customs clearance. Note the example you gade of Ireland. It is the US that perform all the entry and screening. THe terminal is effectively US soil. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 17:33:50 GMT 7
jezus sufferin - it's like talking to a child. What makes you think there's anything complicated in this? these days we are moving to e-gate technology where you don't see immigration officers at all. And yes, I would have no problem with airlines taking responsibility for immigration services - they have that responsibility already, along with mandatory passenger manifests. I have witnessed AirAsia for example, denying boarding to French passengers who did not have a visa for Vietnam. A visa and the airlines refusal to cary them as it may have to return them is entirely different to a border officer refusing a person with or without a visa entry. Airlines are not provided with nor should they be the information held by the home office. the police computer system and past immigration history. You can have a visa and if the immigration officer decides not to allow entry for his reasons that is an immigration decision not an airline decision. You are advocating allowing unscreened entry to the country. Not to mention customs clearance. Note the example you gade of Ireland. It is the US that perform all the entry and screening. THe terminal is effectively US soil. Bullshit. Go read up on the e-gate technology at Dubai. |
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Post by rubl on May 1, 2017 19:08:45 GMT 7
I wonder how e-gate access works towards the U.S. of A., or for business people from Nigeria going to the E.U., or formet E.U. member U.K.
Seems the direction is three months of paperwork and if succesful an easy e-gate signature for access with the possibility of refusal on arrival and a immediate long trip back home.
Unless you're one of the 'right' people of course, one of those with a nice skin colour, lots of money in the bank, and so.
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Post by me on May 1, 2017 19:35:57 GMT 7
I wonder how e-gate access works towards the U.S. of A., or for business people from Nigeria going to the E.U., or formet E.U. member U.K. Seems the direction is three months of paperwork and if succesful an easy e-gate signature for access with the possibility of refusal on arrival and a immediate long trip back home. Unless you're one of the 'right' people of course, one of those with a nice skin colour, lots of money in the bank, and so. The Egate for Dubai needs you to be a resident and use your resident card or if you are from one of the visa free countries you can use cards like the emirates card which you have to register in person with the home department inside Dubai with photos and passport. It is not a free for all visa system....beside the gates are immigration officers who will quietly ask you to walk this way if they flag you. Bangkok has egates for nationals. |
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Post by Soutpeel on May 1, 2017 20:26:07 GMT 7
I wonder how e-gate access works towards the U.S. of A., or for business people from Nigeria going to the E.U., or formet E.U. member U.K. Seems the direction is three months of paperwork and if succesful an easy e-gate signature for access with the possibility of refusal on arrival and a immediate long trip back home. Unless you're one of the 'right' people of course, one of those with a nice skin colour, lots of money in the bank, and so. The Egate for Dubai needs you to be a resident and use your resident card or if you are from one of the visa free countries you can use cards like the emirates card which you have to register in person with the home department inside Dubai with photos and passport. It is not a free for all visa system....beside the gates are immigration officers who will quietly ask you to walk this way if they flag you. Bangkok has egates for nationals. Singapore also has e gates, for citizens and PR, i am neither but you could use the egates to get out of Singapore, if they had put you in the system, ie took your finger prints etc |
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Post by me on May 1, 2017 20:51:39 GMT 7
The Egate for Dubai needs you to be a resident and use your resident card or if you are from one of the visa free countries you can use cards like the emirates card which you have to register in person with the home department inside Dubai with photos and passport. It is not a free for all visa system....beside the gates are immigration officers who will quietly ask you to walk this way if they flag you. Bangkok has egates for nationals. Singapore also has e gates, for citizens and PR, i am neither but you could use the egates to get out of Singapore, if they had put you in the system, ie took your finger prints etc This is That kind of system is quite common now for exiting with electronic face recognition or other identifier and pasport. They have chips now. Of course if you are on the wanted list the gate stays clothes and a friend suddenly appears. For entry they are less common but do exist, al lot more manual scrutiny is made though...you may not know you are watched but cameras see all. Customs though is not as free generally. In all cases I know the control and operatiion of these is the government itself. they do not outsource to the airlines. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 21:41:48 GMT 7
Singapore also has e gates, for citizens and PR, i am neither but you could use the egates to get out of Singapore, if they had put you in the system, ie took your finger prints etc This is That kind of system is quite common now for exiting with electronic face recognition or other identifier and pasport. They have chips now. Of course if you are on the wanted list the gate stays clothes and a friend suddenly appears. For entry they are less common but do exist, al lot more manual scrutiny is made though...you may not know you are watched but cameras see all. Customs though is not as free generally. In all cases I know the control and operatiion of these is the government itself. they do not outsource to the airlines. E-gates into the UK - one officer for thirty two gates for British passport holders. Emirates Skywards members also use the e-gates at Dubai. Registration is a scoosh case. You're only proving me right. There is no need for the labour intensive malarkey we see at Thai airports. When was the last time you were on an international flight? Have you ever used an e-gate? |
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Post by Soutpeel on May 2, 2017 5:07:09 GMT 7
That kind of system is quite common now for exiting with electronic face recognition or other identifier and pasport. They have chips now. Of course if you are on the wanted list the gate stays clothes and a friend suddenly appears. For entry they are less common but do exist, al lot more manual scrutiny is made though...you may not know you are watched but cameras see all. Customs though is not as free generally. In all cases I know the control and operatiion of these is the government itself. they do not outsource to the airlines. E-gates into the UK - one officer for thirty two gates for British passport holders. Emirates Skywards members also use the e-gates at Dubai. Registration is a scoosh case. You're only proving me right. There is no need for the labour intensive malarkey we see at Thai airports. When was the last time you were on an international flight? Have you ever used an e-gate? Ah but the one thing you forget my dear Blether with respect to Thailand is that unique Thai quality of instead of having one person who can do a job but needs paying decent money they would rather employ 5 who cant to do that one job on less money Jobs for the boys and all...  |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 20:01:05 GMT 7
E-gates into the UK - one officer for thirty two gates for British passport holders. Emirates Skywards members also use the e-gates at Dubai. Registration is a scoosh case. You're only proving me right. There is no need for the labour intensive malarkey we see at Thai airports. When was the last time you were on an international flight? Have you ever used an e-gate? Ah but the one thing you forget my dear Blether with respect to Thailand is that unique Thai quality of instead of having one person who can do a job but needs paying decent money they would rather employ 5 who cant to do that one job on less money Jobs for the boys and all... Yes, true. I was ony having a go at me for muttering about things he's nort seen in action. These days, persons of interest are flagged on the manifests. Plus the biometric passports snd facial recognition tools are doing the immigration works for them. If there's a problem at the e-gate, y8u get directed to an officer |
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Post by smokie36 on May 2, 2017 20:12:22 GMT 7
I always get sent to queue up.
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