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Post by Mosha on May 3, 2017 18:08:42 GMT 7
OK I'm 4.5 years short of the new max 35 years NI contributions. I already get a company pension. I have 5 years to go for the state pension. Given that I'll be paying tax is it worth paying the missing contributions? If so any one know the cost?
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Post by Soutpeel on May 3, 2017 18:15:51 GMT 7
OK I'm 4.5 years short of the new max 35 years NI contributions. I already get a company pension. I have 5 years to go for the state pension. Given that I'll be paying tax is it worth paying the missing contributions? If so any one know the cost? You need to ask them, give them your NI number and they will work it out for you, but would say it is worth it if its only 4.5 years to buy back, My dad did it to get his fully UK pension, says it was money well spent for what he paid, but says i SA with the exchange rate, it pays for the months food shopping Me on the other hand, i have only ever worked 18 months in the UK, so its not really worth me doing
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Post by rgs2001uk on May 3, 2017 22:38:16 GMT 7
OK I'm 4.5 years short of the new max 35 years NI contributions. I already get a company pension. I have 5 years to go for the state pension. Given that I'll be paying tax is it worth paying the missing contributions? If so any one know the cost? Do you live in Thailand full time or the UK? If living here your pension will be frozen. I dont know your pension details, but for me in my position, at the time I was told the bastids would cut my state pension because my company pension would take me over a threshhold. Best you phone Newcastle, have spoken to them before, very helpful people, they wont give you a direct answer, but read between the lines of what they tell you. I havent paid NI in over 20 years, I wish they would give me back my contributions and let me do my own thing. As for NI contributions, make sure of what class you pay, class 1 ,2 or 3. They actually contacted me years ago to tell me i owed them $$$$, I asked them what would I get for making the payments and what would my wife get on my death. My attitude was, the money is better in my bank account than theirs, hence didnt pay.
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Post by smokie36 on May 4, 2017 3:17:38 GMT 7
OK I'm 4.5 years short of the new max 35 years NI contributions. I already get a company pension. I have 5 years to go for the state pension. Given that I'll be paying tax is it worth paying the missing contributions? If so any one know the cost? Do you live in Thailand full time or the UK? If living here your pension will be frozen. I dont know your pension details, but for me in my position, at the time I was told the bastids would cut my state pension because my company pension would take me over a threshhold. Best you phone Newcastle, have spoken to them before, very helpful people, they wont give you a direct answer, but read between the lines of what they tell you. I havent paid NI in over 20 years, I wish they would give me back my contributions and let me do my own thing. As for NI contributions, make sure of what class you pay, class 1 ,2 or 3. They actually contacted me years ago to tell me i owed them $$$$, I asked them what would I get for making the payments and what would my wife get on my death. My attitude was, the money is better in my bank account than theirs, hence didnt pay. Their actuarys are not stupid. Mind you I had a beer with my 95 year old grandad today.
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Post by Mosha on May 4, 2017 6:06:23 GMT 7
OK I'm 4.5 years short of the new max 35 years NI contributions. I already get a company pension. I have 5 years to go for the state pension. Given that I'll be paying tax is it worth paying the missing contributions? If so any one know the cost? Do you live in Thailand full time or the UK? If living here your pension will be frozen. I dont know your pension details, but for me in my position, at the time I was told the bastids would cut my state pension because my company pension would take me over a threshhold. Best you phone Newcastle, have spoken to them before, very helpful people, they wont give you a direct answer, but read between the lines of what they tell you. I havent paid NI in over 20 years, I wish they would give me back my contributions and let me do my own thing. As for NI contributions, make sure of what class you pay, class 1 ,2 or 3. They actually contacted me years ago to tell me i owed them $$$$, I asked them what would I get for making the payments and what would my wife get on my death. My attitude was, the money is better in my bank account than theirs, hence didnt pay. I'm in Thailand full time, and I know it will be frozen Fortunately my company pension isn't. That would have been better if I could have worked to 50, but they were changing my shift pattern. More days at work for less money, and new boss was an a_hole. Everyone who knew him as an apprentice, and later worked for him were sacked, left the company, or transferred. So I took redundancy.
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Post by rgs2001uk on May 4, 2017 20:55:47 GMT 7
Do you live in Thailand full time or the UK? If living here your pension will be frozen. I dont know your pension details, but for me in my position, at the time I was told the bastids would cut my state pension because my company pension would take me over a threshhold. Best you phone Newcastle, have spoken to them before, very helpful people, they wont give you a direct answer, but read between the lines of what they tell you. I havent paid NI in over 20 years, I wish they would give me back my contributions and let me do my own thing. As for NI contributions, make sure of what class you pay, class 1 ,2 or 3. They actually contacted me years ago to tell me i owed them $$$$, I asked them what would I get for making the payments and what would my wife get on my death. My attitude was, the money is better in my bank account than theirs, hence didnt pay. Their actuarys are not stupid. Mind you I had a beer with my 95 year old grandad today. Correct them actuary types are smart people. Mind you, you dont need to be a rocket scientist to work out there is an ever increasing aging population living longer. Well done to the old guy, dont know if I would want to live that long, might get some satisfaction from knowing each day I live is another day they have to pay me. The peasant brigade will be up in arms at either increased taxes to fund their playboy lifestyle in Thailand, or wait longer for a pension. Have already had my pension aged moved, wont be long before we see the age set at 70 or even 75. My pensions are nothing more than a bonus, not something I will be relying on, if anything they will be for the wifes benefit, just hope like her grandmother she lives to a ripe old age.
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Post by Fletchsmile on May 5, 2017 12:15:09 GMT 7
Mosha, Given you're relatively close to retirement age and providing you're in reasonable health and going to live a few years after retirement then the odds are it would make sense. If you are eligible to pay class 2 contributions- then they are only GBP 2.85 a week or ball park 150 quid a year. Much cheaper than class 3 rates. This makes it almost a no brainer to pay if you're in decent health and have 5 missing years and 5 years to go before collecting. www.gov.uk/self-employed-national-insurance-ratesThe full state pension is around GBP 159.55 per week so each additional year gets you about GBP 4.56 per week based on the 35 year max and your missing years. 4.56 per week is 237 quid a year. So you can see that paying 150 quid for that year will pay back very quickly if you survive the 5 years to retirement and say a year afterwards www.gov.uk/new-state-pension/how-its-calculated{BTW the contribution rates will go up each year, but then again so should the state pension until you start drawing it and it gets frozen. This doesn't take account of the time value of money either, but over 5 years the period is short anyway} If you have to pay class 3 contributions - then they are 5 times as much at GBP 14.25 per week or 741 pounds a year. So the decision is less of a no brainer. That 741 quid still gets you that same 237 quid a year. Broadly you're looking at surviving 3/4 years after retirement to make it worthwhile Worth noting that the contribution 1 year before retirement is probably better value for money than the contribution in the year 5 years before retirement. Of course if you die before retirement or shortly after the money is wasted The key for you and what makes it probably worthwhile is being relatively close to retirement age. For someone 30 years to go that is a different decisionHere's a link on eligibility for Class2 or Class3 for overseas people. www.gov.uk/voluntary-national-insurance-contributions/who-can-pay-voluntary-contributionsTo start Class 2 you would be living and working abroad . You can only do if you worked in the UK immediately before leaving, and you’ve previously lived in the UK for 3 years in a row or paid 3 years’ National Insurance . To start Class 3 you would be living abroad but not working. You can do only if at some point you’ve lived in the UK continuously for 3 years or paid 3 years of contributions. As you already have 31 years then you would qualify for one of the 2 classes. My guess is you would likely have to pay class 3 as you're not working. However it would be worth contacting them to discuss/ ask given the difference it rates. i.e check to make sure as there's a decent saving to be had if you can Cheers Fletch
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Post by Fletchsmile on May 5, 2017 12:21:24 GMT 7
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Post by GavinK on May 5, 2017 13:46:03 GMT 7
Make the most of those Class 2 NICs since they'll be abolished in April 2018.
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Post by Mosha on May 11, 2017 13:22:50 GMT 7
Mosha, Given you're relatively close to retirement age and providing you're in reasonable health and going to live a few years after retirement then the odds are it would make sense. If you are eligible to pay class 2 contributions- then they are only GBP 2.85 a week or ball park 150 quid a year. Much cheaper than class 3 rates. This makes it almost a no brainer to pay if you're in decent health and have 5 missing years and 5 years to go before collecting. www.gov.uk/self-employed-national-insurance-ratesThe full state pension is around GBP 159.55 per week so each additional year gets you about GBP 4.56 per week based on the 35 year max and your missing years. 4.56 per week is 237 quid a year. So you can see that paying 150 quid for that year will pay back very quickly if you survive the 5 years to retirement and say a year afterwards www.gov.uk/new-state-pension/how-its-calculated{BTW the contribution rates will go up each year, but then again so should the state pension until you start drawing it and it gets frozen. This doesn't take account of the time value of money either, but over 5 years the period is short anyway} If you have to pay class 3 contributions - then they are 5 times as much at GBP 14.25 per week or 741 pounds a year. So the decision is less of a no brainer. That 741 quid still gets you that same 237 quid a year. Broadly you're looking at surviving 3/4 years after retirement to make it worthwhile Worth noting that the contribution 1 year before retirement is probably better value for money than the contribution in the year 5 years before retirement. Of course if you die before retirement or shortly after the money is wasted The key for you and what makes it probably worthwhile is being relatively close to retirement age. For someone 30 years to go that is a different decisionHere's a link on eligibility for Class2 or Class3 for overseas people. www.gov.uk/voluntary-national-insurance-contributions/who-can-pay-voluntary-contributionsTo start Class 2 you would be living and working abroad . You can only do if you worked in the UK immediately before leaving, and you’ve previously lived in the UK for 3 years in a row or paid 3 years’ National Insurance . To start Class 3 you would be living abroad but not working. You can do only if at some point you’ve lived in the UK continuously for 3 years or paid 3 years of contributions. As you already have 31 years then you would qualify for one of the 2 classes. My guess is you would likely have to pay class 3 as you're not working. However it would be worth contacting them to discuss/ ask given the difference it rates. i.e check to make sure as there's a decent saving to be had if you can Cheers Fletch I'm not working, so that looks like class 3. That needs thinking about.
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Post by smokie36 on May 11, 2017 23:17:29 GMT 7
How much am I gonna get Fletch?
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Post by smokie36 on May 11, 2017 23:18:08 GMT 7
I've paid loads over the last umm...lemne think....27 years.
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Post by Soutpeel on May 12, 2017 8:37:30 GMT 7
How much am I gonna get Fletch? It will be millions Smokes but better ask the fish lady as by the time you draw pension, Scotland will be indepenent from Blighty, and eveyone north of the border will be multi millionaires on all that oil wealth, which will make the Saudis look like paupers
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