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Post by buhi on May 23, 2017 2:43:05 GMT 7
Busy doing what? I am busy thinking. So are you learning from your travels? The arts? Oh that's a pretty picture? Oh i like that one. Wasting your time. are you an art snob, Buhi? See my post. Not any type of snob. Not an expert on all art or all anything. If i am interested i research. Want to know more. I am not depreciating your travels, i travelled too. I was searching, still am, will until i no longer exist. Are you?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 2:43:17 GMT 7
Up until yesterday I was traveling with a guy that thinks he's an art aficionado. We were standing looking at the copy of the statue David in Florence, which sits adjacent to the Rape of the Sabine Woman and other notable statues. The area was mobbed. "Look at all these people, sitting in front of those statues with such history and they don't have a clue." How does he know they don't have a clue? ............................................ Me? I'd never heard of the Rape of the Sabine Woman statue. When I went home I googled it, interested to know what this grotesque was -
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Post by buhi on May 23, 2017 2:45:17 GMT 7
Enter my world. Edit, our world, edit the world of seeking for no reason, but to know something, a little and know you do not know.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 2:52:39 GMT 7
are you an art snob, Buhi? See my post. Not any type of snob. Not an expert on all art or all anything. If i am interested i research. Want to know more. I am not depreciating your travels, i travelled too. I was searching, still am, will until i no longer exist. Are you? I think you are a snob, it comes across in your rambles. Way too often you delve into "deep," issues and indicate that you are the keeper of the flame. Now and again you get kicked squarely between the legs for being so self-absorbed, and to be fair - you normally admit it and apologize. It still doesn't get away from the fact that your Inner Snob bursts forth way too often. .................................................. I was in Turkey - with an American. A Kurdish guy spoke to us, and as soon as the American guy got a chance, he said to him - "Erdogan is at The White House, Trump will withdraw his offer to arm the Kurds." The guys face dropped. A few minutes later I asked the American to quit making unnecessary and inflammatory claims ( he did that elsewhere on the trip too ). "Why don't you let me by myself?" So my Inner Bastard let rip. "What are you, furking stupid? wandering into foreign lands and discussing inflammatory subjects? It's got fork all to do with you and if you were a wise man at all you would let the locals talk without you passing an opinion."
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 2:55:14 GMT 7
Enter my world. Edit, our world, edit the world of seeking for no reason, but to know something, a little and know you do not know. See, you're doing it again. You can't help yourself.
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Post by bowie on May 23, 2017 2:59:28 GMT 7
See my post. Not any type of snob. Not an expert on all art or all anything. If i am interested i research. Want to know more. I am not depreciating your travels, i travelled too. I was searching, still am, will until i no longer exist. Are you? I think you are a snob, it comes across in your rambles. Way too often you delve into "deep," issues and indicate that you are the keeper of the flame. Now and again you get kicked squarely between the legs for being so self-absorbed, and to be fair - you normally admit it and apologize. It still doesn't get away from the fact that your Inner Snob bursts forth way too often. .................................................. I was in Turkey - with an American. A Kurdish guy spoke to us, and as soon as the American guy got a chance, he said to him - "Erdogan is at The White House, Trump will withdraw his offer to arm the Kurds." The guys face dropped. A few minutes later I asked the American to quit making unnecessary and inflammatory claims ( he did that elsewhere on the trip too ). "Why don't you let me by myself?" So my Inner Bastard let rip. "What are you, furking stupid? wandering into foreign lands and discussing inflammatory subjects? It's got fork all to do with you and if you were a wise man at all you would let the locals talk without you passing an opinion." I disagree, i would wouldn't i. The teacher in me was never i know, it was always let's find out. New things arose, things i did not know. This is interesting, let's research more. I think that is not snobbery. It is demanding, i never said i know, even if i thought i did. I was delighted to be proven incorrect and to go for more. The kids knew that. I hope you do.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 3:00:10 GMT 7
Will I ever be an expert on antiquities? never. Did I enjoy walking around the National Archaeological Museum in Athens? I LOVED IT Many of the things I saw were astounding, often emotive, and touching - this is the best statue I saw on my travels - Aphrodite, being sexually harassed by Pan, with Eros playing the mediator. I'll never be expert on these things - but that won't allow me to be intimidated by art snobs.
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Post by buhi on May 23, 2017 3:03:27 GMT 7
As my father used to say to me, "You always want the last word and i give up,".
I give up bleth.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 3:06:02 GMT 7
I think you are a snob, it comes across in your rambles. Way too often you delve into "deep," issues and indicate that you are the keeper of the flame. Now and again you get kicked squarely between the legs for being so self-absorbed, and to be fair - you normally admit it and apologize. It still doesn't get away from the fact that your Inner Snob bursts forth way too often. .................................................. I was in Turkey - with an American. A Kurdish guy spoke to us, and as soon as the American guy got a chance, he said to him - "Erdogan is at The White House, Trump will withdraw his offer to arm the Kurds." The guys face dropped. A few minutes later I asked the American to quit making unnecessary and inflammatory claims ( he did that elsewhere on the trip too ). "Why don't you let me by myself?" So my Inner Bastard let rip. "What are you, furking stupid? wandering into foreign lands and discussing inflammatory subjects? It's got fork all to do with you and if you were a wise man at all you would let the locals talk without you passing an opinion." I disagree, i would wouldn't i. The teacher in me was never i know, it was always let's find out. New things arose, things i did not know. This is interesting, let's research more. I think that is not snobbery. It is demanding, i never said i know, even if i thought i did. I was delighted to be proven incorrect and to go for more. The kids knew that. I hope you do. Aaarggghhh, ffs - I'm away to sleep, early flight tomorrow.
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Post by smokie36 on May 23, 2017 3:14:39 GMT 7
Will I ever be an expert on antiquities? never. Did I enjoy walking around the National Archaeological Museum in Athens? I LOVED IT Many of the things I saw were astounding, often emotive, and touching - this is the best statue I saw on my travels - Aphrodite, being sexually harassed by Pan, with Eros playing the mediator. I'll never be expert on these things - but that won't allow me to be intimidated by art snobs. Who among us can claim innocence before this statue?
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Post by buhi on May 23, 2017 3:31:31 GMT 7
A ramble. My ex wife was an expert on Venetian art ,particularly Bellini.
I knew nothing.
When we met she was a fine arts student, just back from six months in Venice. Lover of a Venetian guy. She met me.
Art was not my field, politics, history and literature were.
She swung over to me.
Long story.
She abandoned her love of art to do something useful, to become a radiographer. Art in its own right.
When things did go horribly wrong, the first place i went to was Venice. I know now why, but then did not. Needed to know.
The things we had discussed, of "pictures" out of context.
Bellini was of minor interest as it happened. Titian hit me like a thunderbolt.
Why?
Not art snobbery, gut reaction.
It happened.
The jigsaw fitted.
Too late.
I can post pictures if you like, but know very little.
Literature, sure on sounder footing, but the problem there is words, words, words.
Music is less complex, straight to the senses over a duration of time. Art , pictures, sculpture, architecture, there in the instant.
What i see feel, is unique to me as it is to everyone. That is not snobbery.
What each feels is their uniqueness. Great art creates that.
Every little thing can create that too.
Extension to ramble.At the time of meeting my ex a close friend was a budding professional artist. He was successful, had commissions.A naturalist/realist. I liked his work. One large canvass i wanted.He would not sell it. It was a bleak winter landscape, skeleton trees in snow and sky.
His relationship with the love of his life broke down. Nothing to do with me.
"You can have it now, you're, the only one who understands it,".
I bought it, i suppose it is still mine.I know where it is, i think, hope. So much has happened since.
When i left England i gave it to an ex lover along with many other personal things to look after.. She has since been divorced. We no longer are in contact.I doubt anyone could have destroyed it.
Maybe they did.
Perhaps it was like a portrait of Dorian Grey.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 5:01:40 GMT 7
Up until yesterday I was traveling with a guy that thinks he's an art aficionado. We were standing looking at the copy of the statue David in Florence, which sits adjacent to the Rape of the Sabine Woman and other notable statues. The area was mobbed. "Look at all these people, sitting in front of those statues with such history and they don't have a clue." How does he know they don't have a clue? ............................................ Me? I'd never heard of the Rape of the Sabine Woman statue. When I went home I googled it, interested to know what this grotesque was - Most of the prix who think the rest of us don't have a clue are educated idiots. If they had any "real" intelligence they would put their talents to good use, instead of lecturing us plebs on the way we should be thinking. (present company excepted, of course)
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Post by me on May 23, 2017 10:28:28 GMT 7
Will I ever be an expert on antiquities? never. Did I enjoy walking around the National Archaeological Museum in Athens? I LOVED IT Many of the things I saw were astounding, often emotive, and touching - this is the best statue I saw on my travels - Aphrodite, being sexually harassed by Pan, with Eros playing the mediator. I'll never be expert on these things - but that won't allow me to be intimidated by art snobs. Who among us can claim innocence before this statue? Most things there would not exist now if they had not been cared for by the British Museum and others.
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Post by bowie on May 23, 2017 18:37:08 GMT 7
LUCY
by: William Wordsworth (1770-1850)
I. STRANGE fits of passion have I known: And I will dare to tell, But in the lover's ear alone, What once to me befell. When she I loved look'd every day Fresh as a rose in June, I to her cottage bent my way, Beneath an evening moon. Upon the moon I fix'd my eye, All over the wide lea; With quickening pace my horse drew nigh Those paths so dear to me. And now we reach'd the orchard-plot; And, as we climb'd the hill, The sinking moon to Lucy's cot Came near and nearer still. In one of those sweet dreams I slept, Kind Nature's gentlest boon! And all the while my eyes I kept On the descending moon. My horse moved on; hoof after hoof He raised, and never stopp'd: When down behind the cottage roof, At once, the bright moon dropp'd. What fond and wayward thoughts will slide Into a lover's head! 'O mercy!' to myself I cried, 'If Lucy should be dead!' II. HE dwelt among the untrodden ways Beside the springs of Dove, A Maid whom there were none to praise And very few to love: A violet by a mossy stone Half hidden from the eye! Fair as a star, when only one Is shining in the sky. She lived unknown, and few could know When Lucy ceased to be; But she is in her grave, and oh, The difference to me! III. TRAVELL'D among unknown men, In lands beyond the sea; Nor, England! did I know till then What love I bore to thee. 'Tis past, that melancholy dream! Nor will I quit thy shore A second time; for still I seem To love thee more and more. Among the mountains did I feel The joy of my desire; And she I cherish'd turn'd her wheel Beside an English fire. Thy mornings show'd, thy nights conceal'd, The bowers where Lucy play'd; And thine too is the last green field That Lucy's eyes survey'd. IV. HREE years she grew in sun and shower; Then Nature said, 'A lovelier flower On earth was never sown; This child I to myself will take; She shall be mine, and I will make A lady of my own. 'Myself will to my darling be Both law and impulse; and with me The girl, in rock and plain, In earth and heaven, in glade and bower, Shall feel an overseeing power To kindle or restrain. 'She shall be sportive as the fawn That wild with glee across the lawn Or up the mountain springs; And hers shall be the breathing balm, And hers the silence and the calm Of mute insensate things. 'The floating clouds their state shall lend To her; for her the willow bend; Nor shall she fail to see Even in the motions of the storm Grace that shall mould the maiden's form By silent sympathy. 'The stars of midnight shall be dear To her; and she shall lean her ear In many a secret place Where rivulets dance their wayward round, And beauty born of murmuring sound Shall pass into her face. 'And vital feelings of delight Shall rear her form to stately height, Her virgin bosom swell; Such thoughts to Lucy I will give While she and I together live Here in this happy dell.' Thus Nature spake -- The work was done -- How soon my Lucy's race was run! She died, and left to me This heath, this calm and quiet scene; The memory of what has been, And never more will be. V. SLUMBER did my spirit seal; I had no human fears: She seem'd a thing that could not feel The touch of earthly years. No motion has she now, no force; She neither hears nor sees; Roll'd round in earth's diurnal course, With rocks, and stones, and trees.
Seems apt.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 19:53:29 GMT 7
You're on a roll bug I ! (I tried to write "buhi" but it came out bug-eye ) If anything your rambling takes my mind off all the rotten shite happening in the world of late, for a while at least. Mind you there are some very pretty girls in this airport tonight who are doing a good job at ruining my train of thought ! Boarding in one hour then 9 hours of cattle class heaven to BKK.
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