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Post by buhi on May 22, 2017 18:50:26 GMT 7
Your golden age?
When i dream, very vivid dreams, strange dreams , lucid dreams. They have a narrative, will not bore you with details, but i am always about 26 years old in them and then remember i am 66. Of being in places familiar then and suddenly i remember i am old.
Perhaps it was my golden age.
Then the afterlife thingy. Who are you in this thingy?
The RIP bit and rocking in some after life.
Bring this site alive.
Not more bloody news. Or opinions on that.
Some metaphysics for a change.
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Post by buhi on May 22, 2017 20:26:56 GMT 7
Robert Herrick, 1591 - 1674
Gather ye rosebuds while ye may,
Old Time is still a-flying;
And this same flower that smiles today
Tomorrow will be dying.
The glorious lamp of heaven, the sun,
The higher he’s a-getting,
The sooner will his race be run,
And nearer he’s to setting.
That age is best which is the first,
When youth and blood are warmer;
But being spent, the worse, and worst
Times still succeed the former.
Then be not coy, but use your time,
And while ye may, go marry;
For having lost but once your prime,
You may forever tarry.
Time was upon
The wing, to fly away;
And I call'd on
Him but awhile to stay;
But he'd be gone,
For aught that I could say.
He held out then
A writing, as he went,
And ask'd me, when
False man would be content
To pay again
What God and Nature lent.
An hour-glass,
In which were sands but few,
As he did pass,
He shew'd,--and told me too
Mine end near was;--
And so away he flew.
Robert Herrick
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Post by bowie on May 22, 2017 20:48:06 GMT 7
Herrick never married, and none of his love-poems seem to connect directly with any one woman. He loved the richness of sensuality and the variety of life, and this is shown vividly in such poems as Cherry-ripe, Delight in Disorder and Upon Julia’s Clothes. The over-riding message of Herrick’s work is that life is short, the world is beautiful, love is splendid, and we must use the short time we have to make the most of it. This message can be seen clearly in To the Virgins, to make much of Time; To Daffodils; To Blossoms; and Corinna's Going A Maying, where the warmth and exuberance of what seems to have been a kindly and jovial personality comes over strongly. Gather Ye rosebuds While Ye May, by John William Waterhouse, (1909) The opening stanza in one of his more famous poems, "To the Virgins, to Make Much of Time", is as follows: Gather ye rosebuds while ye may, Old Time is still a-flying; And this same flower that smiles today, Tomorrow will be dying.
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Post by rgs2001uk on May 22, 2017 20:58:21 GMT 7
I can only assume Herrick never made it to Thailand, and was unaware of the wonders of modern medicine.
Sat talking to a old codger living the dream in his scuzzy Prakhanong apartment, getting by on 15,000 baht per month, yes I shyt you not. He told me, "I didnt expect to live so long"
Bitter and twisted old bastid, who drove all his friends away, the same people who could and would have helped him.
Thought he was a "playa", heck even his beloved bargirls despised him and mocked him.
Imagine dying all alone in a city of 10 million without a friend in the world.
If thats old age and the future, I am headed for the balcony, am I eff, I am headed home.
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Post by buhi on May 22, 2017 21:17:31 GMT 7
I can only assume Herrick never made it to Thailand, and was unaware of the wonders of modern medicine. Sat talking to a old codger living the dream in his scuzzy Prakhanong apartment, getting by on 15,000 baht per month, yes I shyt you not. He told me, "I didnt expect to live so long" Bitter and twisted old bastid, who drove all his friends away, the same people who could and would have helped him. Thought he was a "playa", heck even his beloved bargirls despised him and mocked him. Imagine dying all alone in a city of 10 million without a friend in the world. If thats old age and the future, I am headed for the balcony, am I eff, I am headed home. I think you missed the point. The over-riding message of Herrick’s work is that life is short, the world is beautiful, love is splendid, and we must use the short time we have to make the most of it. Read more: bigmango.boards.net/post/124572/quote/10223?page=1#ixzz4hoj7d5R1
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Post by rgs2001uk on May 22, 2017 21:20:04 GMT 7
Define short.
I am born, I die, the ways its always been, prince or pauper we all end up the same.
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Post by buhi on May 22, 2017 21:21:59 GMT 7
Define short. I am born, I die, the ways its always been, prince or pauper we all end up the same. You can define it for yourself when you are dead.
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Post by rgs2001uk on May 22, 2017 21:23:46 GMT 7
Ok you yourself are good for another 30 years, lets make an appointment, see you in 30.^^^^^
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Post by buhi on May 22, 2017 21:40:57 GMT 7
Ok you yourself are good for another 30 years, lets make an appointment, see you in 30.^^^^^ A metaphysical laugh from me. An old guy, bet he is not much older than me, hobbling on a make shift frame, collecting empties. We save them for him. I call him Frankenstein's Monster, but no one here knows the reference. They do know when i say if i am ever like that do not hesitate to kill me. They laugh , like you and say no way you, you will live for ever. I know different.
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Post by bowie on May 22, 2017 21:53:11 GMT 7
I enjoy reading Herrick, yes a metaphysical poet. Clergy man and libertine.
Works were hidden as being too risque, certainly more so than Donne.
Any way a bit of Donne:
Come, Madam, come, all rest my powers defy, Until I labour, I in labour lie. The foe oft-times having the foe in sight, Is tired with standing though they never fight. Off with that girdle, like heaven's zone glistering, But a far fairer world encompassing. Unpin that spangled breastplate which you wear, That th' eyes of busy fools may be stopped there. Unlace yourself, for that harmonious chime Tells me from you, that now 'tis your bed time. Off with that happy busk, which I envy, That still can be, and still can stand so nigh. Your gown going off, such beauteous state reveals, As when from flowery meads th' hill's shadow steals. Off with that wiry coronet and show The hairy diadem which on you doth grow; Now off with those shoes, and then safely tread In this love's hallowed temple, this soft bed. In such white robes heaven's angels used to be Received by men; thou angel bring'st with thee A heaven like Mahomet's paradise; and though Ill spirits walk in white, we easily know By this these angels from an evil sprite, Those set our hairs, but these our flesh upright. License my roving hands, and let them go Before, behind, between, above, below. O my America, my new found land, My kingdom, safeliest when with one man manned, My mine of precious stones, my empery, How blessed am I in this discovering thee! To enter in these bonds, is to be free; Then where my hand is set, my seal shall be. Full nakedness, all joys are due to thee As souls unbodied, bodies unclothed must be, To taste whole joys. Gems which you women use Are like Atlanta's balls, cast in men's views, That when a fool's eye lighteth on a gem, His earthly soul may covet theirs, not them. Like pictures, or like books' gay coverings made For laymen, are all women thus arrayed; Themselves are mystic books, which only we Whom their imputed grace will dignify Must see revealed. Then since I may know, As liberally, as to a midwife, show Thyself: cast all, yea, this white linen hence, Here is no penance, much less innocence. To teach thee, I am naked first, why then What needst thou have more covering than a man. John Donne
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Post by bowie on May 22, 2017 22:53:50 GMT 7
The English Revolution a forgotten episode.
All was in dispute.
The metaphysical poets , perhaps considered on the royalist "side", were anti puritanism. Subtle sometimes, but often outright libertine. Enough for tonight, Marvell a fragment:
from Upon Appleton House, to my Lord Fairfax Related Poem Content Details BY ANDREW MARVELL Within this sober frame expect Work of no foreign architect; That unto caves the quarries drew, And forests did to pastures hew; Who of his great design in pain Did for a model vault his brain; Whose columns should so high be rais’d To arch the brows that on them gaz’d.
Why should of all things man unrul’d Such unproportion’d dwellings build? The beasts are by their dens exprest, And birds contrive an equal nest; The low roof’d tortoises do dwell In cases fit of tortoise-shell; No creature loves an empty space; Their bodies measure out their place.
But he, superfluously spread, Demands more room alive than dead; And in his hollow palace goes Where winds as he themselves may lose. What need of all this marble crust T’impark the wanton mote of dust, That thinks by breadth the world t’unite Though the first builders fail’d in height?
But all things are composed here Like nature, orderly and near; In which we the dimensions find Of that more sober age and mind, When larger sized men did stoop To enter at a narrow loop; As practising, in doors so straight, To strain themselves through Heaven’s gate.
And surely when the after age Shall hither come in pilgrimage, These sacred places to adore, By Vere and Fairfax trod before, Men will dispute how their extent Within such dwarfish confines went; And some will smile at this, as well As Romulus his bee-like cell.
Humility alone designs Those short but admirable lines, By which, ungirt and unconstrain’d, Things greater are in less contain’d. Let others vainly strive t’immure The circle in the quadrature! These holy mathematics can In ev’ry figure equal man.
Yet thus the laden house does sweat, And scarce endures the master great, But where he comes the swelling hall Stirs, and the square grows spherical; More by his magnitude distress’d, Then he is by its straightness press’d, And too officiously it slights That in itself which him delights.
So honour better lowness bears, Than that unwonted greatness wears; Height with a certain grace does bend, But low things clownishly ascend. And yet what needs there here excuse, Where ev’ry thing does answer use? Where neatness nothing can condemn, Nor pride invent what to contemn?
A stately frontispiece of poor Adorns without the open door; Nor less the rooms within commends Daily new furniture of friends. The house was built upon the place Only as for a mark of grace; And for an inn to entertain Its lord a while, but not remain.
Him Bishops-Hill, or Denton may, Or Billbrough, better hold than they; But nature here hath been so free As if she said leave this to me. Art would more neatly have defac’d What she had laid so sweetly waste; In fragrant gardens, shady woods, Deep meadows, and transparent floods.
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Post by buhi on May 22, 2017 23:04:05 GMT 7
Humility alone designs Those short but admirable lines, By which, ungirt and unconstrain’d, Things greater are in less contain’d. Let others vainly strive t’immure The circle in the quadrature! These holy mathematics can In ev’ry figure equal man. Read more: bigmango.boards.net/thread/10223/dead-on?page=1#ixzz4hp9YPobjReason, fact, proof? Coming soon. Blake and imagination. Post script, Marvell was with Cromwell as of course was Fairfax, until Ireland and the massacres. Upon Appleton House was not published in Marvell's lifetime. His life would have been shorter if it had been.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 0:13:47 GMT 7
Hold on, Buhi
Some of us are a bit busy, and don't have time to write long metaphysical descriptors of human condition.
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Post by buhi on May 23, 2017 0:59:21 GMT 7
Hold on, Buhi Some of us are a bit busy, and don't have time to write long metaphysical descriptors of human condition. Busy doing what? I am busy thinking. So are you learning from your travels? The arts? Oh that's a pretty picture? Oh i like that one. Wasting your time.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 2:35:23 GMT 7
Hold on, Buhi Some of us are a bit busy, and don't have time to write long metaphysical descriptors of human condition. Busy doing what? I am busy thinking. So are you learning from your travels? The arts? Oh that's a pretty picture? Oh i like that one. Wasting your time. are you an art snob, Buhi?
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