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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2017 19:07:32 GMT 7
I noted a story from the Grenfell fire where a lady flooded her flat and reckoned that bought her the time to be rescued.
I'd have thought flooding the entire building from within would have been a good move.
Practical problems with that? would the water pressure have been maintained if every flat had opened it's taps full?
I'm pretty sure it would have been but I'm no plumber.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2017 20:59:36 GMT 7
If I had have thought about this subject back when I was say, 12 years old, when Man had first landed on the moon, and wondered what it would be like 40-50 years into the future, I probably would have thought there would be no such thing as fires like this after the year 2000.
That modern Man would have devised a way to not only prevent these fires, but if one did happen to start it would be extinguished quick smart.
Unless you lived in a cardboard box house on a refuse dump. And the cardboard was soaked in petrol. And you drank a lot and smoked in bed.
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Post by smokie36 on Jun 17, 2017 21:18:22 GMT 7
A 30 storey building without a water sprinkler system...one fire exit route and no proper early warning fire alarm system.
Yup sounds like nothing could go wrong.
Who carried out the building inspection then?
Let's see their face on TV explaining why it passed or their recommendations mothballed.
No wait....Boris already explained this.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2017 23:07:20 GMT 7
If the hippity escape capsules were mandatory in not only highrises but planes also a lot more people would live.
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Post by rgs2001uk on Jun 17, 2017 23:35:54 GMT 7
I noted a story from the Grenfell fire where a lady flooded her flat and reckoned that bought her the time to be rescued. I'd have thought flooding the entire building from within would have been a good move.
Practical problems with that? would the water pressure have been maintained if every flat had opened it's taps full? I'm pretty sure it would have been but I'm no plumber. Short answer, NO. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2017 23:39:46 GMT 7
Long answer, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Post by chiangmai on Jun 18, 2017 6:38:12 GMT 7
I watched an interview with the leader of the Kensington Council where the subject of sprinklers was discussed. He claimed that whilst the cost to install sprinklers at the time of refurbishment was quite low at 200k, the residents didn't want them because of disruption during the installation process. So there you have it, we have safety laws and regs but they can be overridden by consumers who might not want to adhere to them, allegedly!
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Post by Soutpeel on Jun 18, 2017 6:56:14 GMT 7
Long answer, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO The scientific answer Negative |
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Post by Soutpeel on Jun 18, 2017 7:00:56 GMT 7
I watched an interview with the leader of the Kensington Council where the subject of sprinklers was discussed. He claimed that whilst the cost to install sprinklers at the time of refurbishment was quite low at 200k, the residents didn't want them because of disruption during the installation process. So there you have it, we have safety laws and regs but they can be overridden by consumers who might not want to adhere to them, allegedly! Hello sir, do you know you were exceeding the speed limit ?....yes but i dont want to drive at the speed limit, i want to drive faster..ah ok sir thats fine then have a good day The leader of kensington council is ful of excrement |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 7:12:26 GMT 7
Grab a bic biro pen, fill the bath up and use it as a snorkel.
Similar to smoking a woodbine maybe
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Post by chiangmai on Jun 18, 2017 7:24:24 GMT 7
Faced with the choice of being boiled to death in a cast iron bath or covered in molten plastic from a melted plastic bath, I choose smoke inhalation and I'm not talking woodbines. Personally, I'd go for one of these: www.sosparachute.com/en/site/sosAt 24 floors, Floral Condo's in CM have a half way decent escape system. Each balcony has an offset escape hatch leading to the balcony below and each condo has a removable chain link ladder that fits the hatch, better than nothing I reckon. |
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Post by Soutpeel on Jun 18, 2017 8:44:29 GMT 7
Faced with the choice of being boiled to death in a cast iron bath or covered in molten plastic from a melted plastic bath, I choose smoke inhalation and I'm not talking woodbines. Personally, I'd go for one of these: www.sosparachute.com/en/site/sosAt 24 floors, Floral Condo's in CM have a half way decent escape system. Each balcony has an offset escape hatch leading to the balcony below and each condo has a removable chain link ladder that fits the hatch, better than nothing I reckon. Seen these as well, interia reel escape devices, but in the case of the London not sure how much help they would have been given the fire was on the outside of the building, it may have saved some Attachment Deleted |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 12:00:09 GMT 7
Right, I'm not getting it re the water pressure - I was under the impression that the pressure was sufficient to run a whole borough never mind a block of flats - so the idea of two hundred taps being opened at the same time cuts the pressure substantially seems a bit off?
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Post by chiangmai on Jun 18, 2017 12:34:19 GMT 7
Right, I'm not getting it re the water pressure - I was under the impression that the pressure was sufficient to run a whole borough never mind a block of flats - so the idea of two hundred taps being opened at the same time cuts the pressure substantially seems a bit off? I think perhaps you're confusing pressure and flow rate, pressure can remain consistent but flow rate decreases based on the number of outlets? To understand the difference you need to understand all there is to know about elevated head versus pressure head (!): kb.eng-software.com/display/ESKB/Relationship+Between+Pressure+Drop+and+Flow+Rate+in+a+Pipeline |
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Post by smokie36 on Jun 18, 2017 12:40:16 GMT 7
I watched an interview with the leader of the Kensington Council where the subject of sprinklers was discussed. He claimed that whilst the cost to install sprinklers at the time of refurbishment was quite low at 200k, the residents didn't want them because of disruption during the installation process. So there you have it, we have safety laws and regs but they can be overridden by consumers who might not want to adhere to them, allegedly! Hello sir, do you know you were exceeding the speed limit ?....yes but i dont want to drive at the speed limit, i want to drive faster..ah ok sir thats fine then have a good day The leader of kensington council is ful of excrement "You can have sprinklers or you can be evicted next week." |
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