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Post by Fletchsmile on Jul 12, 2017 17:48:24 GMT 7
For anyone looking around for Global or UK equity funds, these 2 from Lindsell Train are worth a look. I've been a fan of Lindsell Trains Global equity and UK funds for quite a while. Very good index beating performance and a strong argument for active over passive funds when you can identify the right fund managers like these. I like the way the funds are concentrated so really take proper views and do their research unlike some of the active funds out there which are closet trackers. Each has around 26 or so holdings For the global fund I also like the way they identify just a few core countries and don't feel the need to spread money over everywhere for the sake of it. It's also refreshing to see a global fund which is not heavily weighted to the US. Many global funds have over 50% weighting in the US. Theirs is around 32% in US, with UK 26% , Japan 24% and Netherlands 12% ================================================= Simplicity and success: Why Nick Train is the UK’s answer to Warren Buffett
www.hl.co.uk/funds/lindsell-train
Further write up on the two funds is on the tab "Lindsell Train Funds" a little way down the page, including
Global Fund: UK Fund:
Factsheet Global Equity
www.hl.co.uk/funds/fund-discounts,-prices--and--factsheets/search-results/l/lindsell-train-global-equity-class-d-income
Factsheet UK equity
www.hl.co.uk/funds/fund-discounts,-prices--and--factsheets/search-results/c/cf-lindsell-train-uk-equity-class-d-income
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Post by AyG on Jul 20, 2017 4:38:50 GMT 7
In my opinion, nothing particularly special about Lindsell Train, apart from the ridiculous hype surrounding the group and the dangers inherent with the funds' becoming too large. For comparison, a couple of (closed ended) funds, one fairly obscure, the other well-known. selected only because I've owned them for many years: UK EquityThe following chart compares Lindsell Train UK Equity with Independent Investment Trust (IIT) run by Max Ward. IIT has been more volatile, but has produced a better annualised return over 5 years (LT 17.3%, IIT 23.5%). International EquityNow comparing Lindsell Train Global Equity with Witan (WTN). Really very little to choose between the two of them in terms of performance. This isn't particularly to knock the Lindsell Train performance, or even intended to be a particularly scientific comparison of alternatives, but (a) to agree with Fletch that active management can deliver superior performance under some circumstances, and (b) to point out it is usually a good idea to look beyond the widely hyped names such as Slater/Train/Woodword/Barnett/&c..
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Post by Fletchsmile on Jul 20, 2017 12:44:25 GMT 7
I like Witan as an investment trust and have a small holding in it via Singapore where I hold a UK investment trust portfolio, as quality unit trusts are harder to come by in Singapore. The holding in Witan is partly driven by recommendations on Big Mango BTW when I was looking at investment trusts and AYG and rgs mentioned it. I also audited it about 20+ years back while a UK accountant so have known it for years A couple of points to be taken in context: 1) Picking just one investment trust to compare to doesn't really give an indication of where it fits. I would consider Witan to be one of the better global investment trusts. So if Lindsell Train compares to it, then it compares to one of the better global funds in the investment sector. Witan comes 16th out of 63 global investment trusts which have a performance listed on trustnet for 5 years. That's pretty good in my book 2) When looking at investment trusts if someone wants to appraise the performance of the fund manager not simply the share price, then they have to look at the increase or decrease in net asset value (NAV). Unlike a unit trust, the share price of an investment trust doesn't just reflect the value of underlying investments (NAV) but also reflects supply and demand for the shares of the investment trust themselves. This supply and demand reflects how popular a share/ investment trust is. Simply put the change in NAV reflects the value created by the fund manager. The share price reflects the value created by the fund manager plus a distortion for supply and demand of the (popularity) of the fund itself Even though Witan's share price increased 146% over 5 years, similar to Lindsell Train Global Equity's 147%, Witan's NAV "only" increased 117%. www.trustnet.com/Factsheets/Factsheet.aspx?fundCode=ITWTAN&univ=TWhile this is still good relative to the sector what it means is that the value created by Witan's fund manager over 5 years is some 30% less than Lindsell Train. Further the 30% that Witan gained because of it becoming more in demand is very unlikely to be repeated in the next 5 years as it now trades just under NAV. 5 years ago it traded significantly under NAV. Moreover for the share price to close towards NAV, that means that at some point in the past when the fund was less popular its share price would have underperformed NAV. If it swings back again this could be repeated. i.e who's to say next time the fund manager increases 117% over 5 years, what happens if the discount to NAV widens and loses 30% of its return. So for a fund manager like Lindsell Train to create 30% more value for its fund holders over 5 years than one of the better investment trusts is again pretty decent in my book. As I say though, I like Witan. It's one of the largest invest trusts around though so not as nimble as others. It has a wide range of diversified holdings which are a decent global core to build around If buying thru the UK I would prefer Lindsell Train Global Equity to Witan. However, when I bought thru Singapore where I couldn't buy Lindsell Train Global, I went for Witan as one of the options. Both are good holdings in my view.
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Post by Fletchsmile on Jul 20, 2017 13:12:13 GMT 7
Independent Investment Trust is a bit of an oddity. I'm not sure how comparable it is to Lindsell Train UK Equity. IIT gets listed as a global fund not a UK equity fund. Although most of its current holdings are UK equity, a couple of years back it held things like Alibaba and Baidu (China). Still not quite sure why it is listed as global as the majority is UK Looks like it has had a very good last year though which may well have distorted its long term performance. Up to 1 year ago on the chart it was very close in performance to Lindsell Train UK Equity but then IIT returned 46% over 1 year. I wonder what drove that? Up to 2 years ago it was very similar in performance too. Then it rocketed at that point. But mid 2016 it tanked significantly. Again I wonder why? Not easy to find quality analysis on it either, under trustnet, HL etc As AYG says it's an obscure one Looks like a high risk high return fund which can be highly volatile. Not for the faint hearted, but interesting... maybe AYG can shed a little more light...
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Post by AyG on Jul 27, 2017 19:32:49 GMT 7
Independent Investment Trust is a bit of an oddity. I'm not sure how comparable it is to Lindsell Train UK Equity. IIT gets listed as a global fund not a UK equity fund. Although most of its current holdings are UK equity, a couple of years back it held things like Alibaba and Baidu (China). Still not quite sure why it is listed as global as the majority is UK Looks like it has had a very good last year though which may well have distorted its long term performance. Up to 1 year ago on the chart it was very close in performance to Lindsell Train UK Equity but then IIT returned 46% over 1 year. I wonder what drove that? Up to 2 years ago it was very similar in performance too. Then it rocketed at that point. But mid 2016 it tanked significantly. Again I wonder why? Not easy to find quality analysis on it either, under trustnet, HL etc As AYG says it's an obscure one Looks like a high risk high return fund which can be highly volatile. Not for the faint hearted, but interesting... maybe AYG can shed a little more light... To me it's a fund run by an excellent stock picker who admittedly was over-invested in retail banks just before the financial crisis. Performance was dire, but I stuck with it. I think he (Max Ward) has leaned from that, and before and since the crisis he's been very astute. Anyway, the half yearly financial report is just out. Haven't had time to digest it fully, but it's worth a read if you like that sort of thing. itdocuments.blob.core.windows.net/live/1043/independent_investment_trust_interim_financial_report_may_2017.pdf
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 5:44:23 GMT 7
Serious thread I know, so I'll apologise in advance, but Canarysun would love a few satang on this one
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