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Post by 88 on Oct 14, 2018 7:32:18 GMT 7
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Post by AyG on Oct 14, 2018 12:37:04 GMT 7
But what has Turkey been promised as quid pro quo?
Was the deal really worth it?
If Trump was behind the deal, we can be certain it is a bad one.
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Post by rubl on Oct 14, 2018 12:42:19 GMT 7
So, what's with this pastor that a Trump will ruin a country just to get him 'freed'? "Turkey released American pastor Andrew Brunson from prison on Friday after sentencing him to the amount of time the evangelical missionary had already served. Reports suggested that the Trump administration had successfully struck a deal with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to have the pastor released. Previous attempts to secure Brunson’s release had all failed. Brunson, who had been living in Turkey for decades, was arrested in October 2016 in the wake of a failed military coup that attempted to oust Erdogan from power. Following the coup, Erdogan launched a widespread crackdown against his political enemies, including followers of a Pennsylvania-based Islamic cleric named Fethullah Gulen who Erdogan has viewed as his primary foe. Brunson was accused of supporting the Gulenists and also spying against Turkey for ethnic Kurds. Turkey accused Brunson of attempting to set up a Christian Kurdish state in Turkey. Anonymous witnesses were used against the pastor throughout the case." www.newsweek.com/pastor-bunson-released-turkey-trump-1167087Of course, the pastor knows what Trump needs most "“I ask that you give him wisdom on how to lead this country into righteousness,” Brunson, who had pastored a church in Turkey for 20 years, said in his prayer. “I ask you to protect him from slander from enemies. Fill him with your wisdom and strength and perseverance.”" www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-news-turkey-pastor-freed-20181013-story.html |
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Post by Mosha on Oct 15, 2018 11:43:05 GMT 7
But what has Turkey been promised as quid pro quo? Was the deal really worth it? If Trump was behind the deal, we can be certain it is a bad one. Timing. Pastor Brunson. Released. Jamal Khashoggi Murdered. Turkey and America maybe saw a face saving way out of their problem. |
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Post by rubl on Oct 15, 2018 12:21:37 GMT 7
But what has Turkey been promised as quid pro quo? Was the deal really worth it? If Trump was behind the deal, we can be certain it is a bad one. Timing. Pastor Brunson. Released. Jamal Khashoggi Murdered. Turkey and America maybe saw a face saving way out of their problem. Khashoggi? "Trump says U.S. would be 'punishing' itself if it halts Saudi arms sales U.S. President Donald Trump said on Saturday the United States would be "punishing" itself by halting military sales to Saudi Arabia even if it is proven that Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi was killed inside the country's consulate in Istanbul. Khashoggi, a prominent critic of Riyadh and a U.S. resident, disappeared on Oct. 2 after visiting the Saudi consulate. Turkey's government believes he was deliberately killed inside the building and his body removed." www.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-u-punishing-itself-halts-saudi-arms-080003087--finance.html |
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Post by Mosha on Oct 16, 2018 6:35:45 GMT 7
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Post by rubl on Oct 16, 2018 21:03:11 GMT 7
Nothing to see here, carry on. Seems Pres. Trump likes to believe those in the Fellowship of the Glowing Orb. "Pompeo thanks Saudi king for Khashoggi investigation Pompeo’s visit to Saudi Arabia came at the request of President Donald Trump. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on Tuesday thanked Saudi Arabia King Salman for his “commitment to supporting a thorough, transparent, and timely investigation” into the disappearance of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi, who was last seen earlier this month entering a Saudi consulate in Istanbul." www.politico.eu/article/mike-pompeo-thanks-saudi-king-salman-for-jamal-khashoggi-investigation/ |
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Post by Mosha on Oct 19, 2018 10:52:57 GMT 7
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Post by Mosha on Oct 20, 2018 5:23:52 GMT 7
Breaking. Saudis sack theit top Intelligence official and 18 arrests have been made. Reuters reports a fight broke out in the embassy in which he died.
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Post by rubl on Oct 20, 2018 12:12:06 GMT 7
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Post by Mosha on Oct 20, 2018 13:57:42 GMT 7
Things that are unislamic according to islam
Lying
Autopsies
Disecting bodies
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Post by AyG on Oct 20, 2018 14:04:39 GMT 7
Things that are unislamic according to islam Lying Uh? You're clearly unaware of the concept of "taqiya" (also spelled "taqiyya"). Moslems are actively encouraged to lie to kafir (unbelievers). They are also allowed to lie to other Moslems under some circumstances. Lying is most definitely a core part of Islam, and not "unislamic". |
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Post by 88 on Oct 21, 2018 6:50:16 GMT 7
Things that are unislamic according to islam Lying Uh? You're clearly unaware of the concept of "taqiya" (also spelled "taqiyya"). Moslems are actively encouraged to lie to kafir (unbelievers). They are also allowed to lie to other Moslems under some circumstances. Lying is most definitely a core part of Islam, and not "unislamic". That they even have such a concept as taqiya is reason enough to deport each and every single one of the cult members and send them somwehere more suitable, somewhere hot and sandy where poofs get tossed from rooftops and rape victims get stoned to death. We just don't need the constant hassle and threat from these whackos. |
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Post by rubl on Oct 21, 2018 10:18:46 GMT 7
Uh? You're clearly unaware of the concept of "taqiya" (also spelled "taqiyya"). Moslems are actively encouraged to lie to kafir (unbelievers). They are also allowed to lie to other Moslems under some circumstances. Lying is most definitely a core part of Islam, and not "unislamic". That they even have such a concept as taqiya is reason enough to deport each and every single one of the cult members and send them somwehere more suitable, somewhere hot and sandy where poofs get tossed from rooftops and rape victims get stoned to death. We just don't need the constant hassle and threat from these whackos. Of course real Christians lead their lives inspired by the bible. Especially Matthew 5:37 comes to mind. When Christians lie they sin and therefore real Christians never lie. PS should I add "present company excluded", but then there don't seem to be many real Christians here  |
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Post by smokie36 on Oct 21, 2018 10:53:26 GMT 7
That they even have such a concept as taqiya is reason enough to deport each and every single one of the cult members and send them somwehere more suitable, somewhere hot and sandy where poofs get tossed from rooftops and rape victims get stoned to death. We just don't need the constant hassle and threat from these whackos. Of course real Christians lead their lives inspired by the bible. Especially Matthew 5:37 comes to mind. When Christians lie they sin and therefore real Christians never lie. PS should I add "present company excluded", but then there don't seem to be many real Christians here Well I knit cardigans for the local Seaman's mission. |
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