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Post by GWC on Jun 24, 2019 18:24:53 GMT 7
You pretty much summed it up - Its one fund, "controlled" by themselves, without telling me they had any interest in it. You are being extremely reticent to disclose details. This makes it more difficult to understand your situation. Are you saying that all your investments with FPI were in a single fund? Or it's one fund amongst a number held with FPI? And when you say "controlled by themselves", are you in fact getting confused by the name of the fund? FPI adds its own name (and additional charges) to the funds it sells. It does not, however, control them in any sense. As I said previously, it would be very helpful if you could post scans of your latest statements (omitting personal information) for both FPI and Investors Trust. "Reticent" not really, I'm still struggling replying to a post at this time, I live in fear of my scanner, I can post details of IT, at the moment I am digesting what I have been told so far. - Yes funds with FPI are all in a single fund, specifically "Two Seasons PCC-21st Century Acc Nav" Am I confused - undoubtedly! FPI refers to the "IFA" as the "sponsor" of the fund, I took that to mean that it was their fund?
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Post by AyG on Jun 24, 2019 19:50:42 GMT 7
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Post by GWC on Jun 24, 2019 20:36:37 GMT 7
^ I appreciate the way you handled your reply, hopefully its not bad as it originally appeared in the press, it has been going on some years now - over 4, the liquidator recently finished his "process" now the funds - assuming there are any left after all the leeches have been feeding will be used to start another fund.This was the fund that my Bangkok based "IFA" was the sponsor off, his or their name I have not mentioned for the usual reasons - I would love to "name & shame"
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Post by rgs2001uk on Jun 24, 2019 20:44:52 GMT 7
Your first priority would be to take the initial hit, however painful it may be, and get your hands on your money, better than death by a thousand cuts and haemorrhaging money each month.
I dont know what your money is tied up in or where, and how easy it will be for you to get it back under your control.
If you ever get control of your money, I would be making sure my Brit passport was up to date.
If you are now an American citizen, I would be going to the embassay.
I would also consider contacting Drummond, he has no problem naming and shaming these muppets.
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Post by AyG on Jun 24, 2019 21:07:06 GMT 7
the liquidator recently finished his "process" now the funds - assuming there are any left after all the leeches have been feeding will be used to start another fund. Doesn't work like that. Any value left will be returned to you as cash. I guess it's good news the liquidator/administrator has finished their work. That's actually relatively quick.
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Post by GWC on Jun 24, 2019 21:29:08 GMT 7
the liquidator recently finished his "process" now the funds - assuming there are any left after all the leeches have been feeding will be used to start another fund. Doesn't work like that. Any value left will be returned to you as cash. I guess it's good news the liquidator/administrator has finished their work. That's actually relatively quick. This one "works like that" the main negotiator throughout has been my former "IFA" it is now structured to go into one of his "new funds" this is a four year story condensed, guaranteeing himself yet more fees - obviously I have all the original emails to back this up. Discussing this subject stirred me up so I wrote a very dismissive email to FP earllier telling them what I thought of having my former "IFA" taking full control of negotiations, waiting on a response, problem is it may be in my best interest to go along with evolving events, so have to be careful, ludicrous situation - throughout they have off course been charging me and giving me zero information - a fact I have reminded them off. If I don't get a satisfactory answer will ask for the address for their complaints department, it all appears extremely unethical to me - any suggestions welcomed!
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Post by GWC on Jun 24, 2019 21:34:57 GMT 7
I would also consider contacting Drummond, he has no problem naming and shaming these muppets. I don't believe he is as enthusiastic as he once was, understandable at his age and the amount of alcohol that he had to consume - for professional reasons off course. He did do an article on my former "IFA" company some years back when they fired someone who was a known "crook"
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Post by Fletchsmile on Jun 25, 2019 2:32:33 GMT 7
Sounds like your affairs are complicated to say the least. Looks like not only are the policies themselves poor value as wrappers thru insurers, but also the IFAs that are in the middle have some very dubious links on top, whether they realised it or not. The funds you mentioned like Two Seasons PCC have been subject to various investigations, fraud etc. Really, the best thing is to get what money you can out of these schemes and invest it with reputable names. Almost anything with a reputable name will serve you better, lower fees, safer/less fraud risk, likely better returns etc etc. eg - There are decent fund management houses in Thailand, such as UOB, Aberdeen.
- Thai banks have asset management arms.
All these would be preferable to what you have now, without even leaving Thailand. Entry fees would be likely 0%-1% and annual fees around 0.8% to 1.5% p.a. depending on funds -Outside Thailand, places like Singapore have decent options. Based on the amounts mention, you'd be able to get Priority Banking or equivalent with banks like Stan Chart Singapore, with a dedicated Relationship Manager, RM. Singapore fees are higher than say the UK, but well below what you are getting ripped off for. Fo active managed funds: More like 1%-2% entry and annual fees of 1% - 1.5%. Also within a safer regulatory environment under MAS Singapore and could be linked to banking arrangements. You could open a brokerage account with Stan Chart and just buy exchange traded funds linked to indices which would cost around 0.2% brokerage and fees on the ETFs around 0.1% to 0.5% p.a. Just average index performance but the advantage of low fees so most of the returns go to you. - If you can open an account with the likes of Hargreaves Lansdown, AJ Bell etc in UK, fees would be much cheaper and better range of funds, with safer regulation. Likely 0% initial charge 0.1% - 1.5% annual charge depending on funds selected, and say 0.25% p.a. for a platform fee I use all of the above options to varying degrees. Then there's also offshore brokers like Interactive brokers etc others use on here There really are a lot of choices, much better than what you have at the moment. Plenty of ways people can help you out and suggest things to suit, while leaving you in control of your money. If you really need an advisor, I'd rather have one thru a bank in Thailand, bank in Singapore, proper asset management company in Thailand etc or regulated platform provider in UK. Or a mix of them all. Much safer than your current set up First key step though is to get your money back as soon as possible. Away from these poor value insurance wrappers and the dodgy IFA links in the middle. When you do get your money back, don't leave it all parked in a single bank either. They all have limits on deposit protection so spread it around. With your luck you risk placing it in one just before it goes bust. very low probability but just your luck
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Post by AyG on Jun 25, 2019 8:04:24 GMT 7
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Post by AyG on Jun 25, 2019 8:22:40 GMT 7
Doesn't work like that. Any value left will be returned to you as cash. I guess it's good news the liquidator/administrator has finished their work. That's actually relatively quick. This one "works like that" the main negotiator throughout has been my former "IFA" it is now structured to go into one of his "new funds" this is a four year story condensed, guaranteeing himself yet more fees - obviously I have all the original emails to back this up. Discussing this subject stirred me up so I wrote a very dismissive email to FP earllier telling them what I thought of having my former "IFA" taking full control of negotiations, waiting on a response, problem is it may be in my best interest to go along with evolving events, so have to be careful, ludicrous situation - throughout they have off course been charging me and giving me zero information - a fact I have reminded them off. If I don't get a satisfactory answer will ask for the address for their complaints department, it all appears extremely unethical to me - any suggestions welcomed! The administrators have been working to liquidate whatever assets the fund may have. This will be returned to FPI as cash. You need to stop your financial adviser investing it in another scam scheme. Perhaps tell him that you want to take time to consider your options, and that you do not want the cash reinvested until you've had sufficient time to think. (Incidentally, apart from gathering more fee income, one reason for his keenness to roll the investments over may be that it's then easier for him to hide the value of your investment losses.) Since the administration is now finished you should be able to get a valuation of how much they have raised. Not sure whether this should be done through your financial adviser or FPI. I'd try both. If you happen to know who the administrator is, you could try approaching them directly (though they may not be willing to deal with you since they have no evidence that you personally are an investor in the scheme). I don't think you'll get anywhere complaining to FPI. They haven't done anything wrong (other than running a very expensive, but perfectly legal, offshore scheme). You have given your financial adviser the full authority to act on your behalf. This is all FPI needed to know. The real criminal here is your financial adviser. Unfortunately, he is (almost certainly) not regulated, and the Thai authorities will take no interest whatsoever in the matter. BTW, are you going to share what investment(s) are inside the Investors Trust plan? I'm desperately hoping for your sake that it's not something similar.
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Post by GWC on Jun 25, 2019 11:30:02 GMT 7
- There are decent fund management houses in Thailand, such as UOB, Aberdeen.
- Thai banks have asset management arms.
All these would be preferable to what you have now, without even leaving Thailand. Entry fees would be likely 0%-1% and annual fees around 0.8% to 1.5% p.a. depending on funds -Outside Thailand, places like Singapore have decent options. Based on the amounts mention, you'd be able to get Priority Banking or equivalent with banks like Stan Chart Singapore, with a dedicated Relationship Manager, RM. Singapore fees are higher than say the UK, but well below what you are getting ripped off for. Fo active managed funds: More like 1%-2% entry and annual fees of 1% - 1.5%. Also within a safer regulatory environment under MAS Singapore and could be linked to banking arrangements. You could open a brokerage account with Stan Chart and just buy exchange traded funds linked to indices which would cost around 0.2% brokerage and fees on the ETFs around 0.1% to 0.5% p.a. Just average index performance but the advantage of low fees so most of the returns go to you. - If you can open an account with the likes of Hargreaves Lansdown, AJ Bell etc in UK, fees would be much cheaper and better range of funds, with safer regulation. Likely 0% initial charge 0.1% - 1.5% annual charge depending on funds selected, and say 0.25% p.a. for a platform fee. Thanks, that was pretty much was I was looking for, I know I am in a far from optimal position now, this gives me something to work towards.
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Post by AyG on Jun 25, 2019 11:59:52 GMT 7
- If you can open an account with the likes of Hargreaves Lansdown, AJ Bell etc in UK, fees would be much cheaper and better range of funds, with safer regulation. Likely 0% initial charge 0.1% - 1.5% annual charge depending on funds selected, and say 0.25% p.a. for a platform fee Thanks to ridiculous rules, nowadays no normal broker in the UK will allow non-residents living outside Europe open an account. (I know, I've asked them all.) There is one I know of (can't immediately remember the name, but begins with "P" I think), but it's aimed at high net worth individuals. (It's similarly virtually impossible to find an IFA in the UK prepared to work with people in this category. I know of one, but it works through local agents and doesn't give the same protection as a UK-based adviser.)
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Post by Fletchsmile on Jun 25, 2019 12:29:53 GMT 7
- If you can open an account with the likes of Hargreaves Lansdown, AJ Bell etc in UK, fees would be much cheaper and better range of funds, with safer regulation. Likely 0% initial charge 0.1% - 1.5% annual charge depending on funds selected, and say 0.25% p.a. for a platform fee Thanks to ridiculous rules, nowadays no normal broker in the UK will allow non-residents living outside Europe open an account. (I know, I've asked them all.) There is one I know of (can't immediately remember the name, but begins with "P" I think), but it's aimed at high net worth individuals. (It's similarly virtually impossible to find an IFA in the UK prepared to work with people in this category. I know of one, but it works through local agents and doesn't give the same protection as a UK-based adviser.) Do you still have a UK address?
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Post by GWC on Jun 25, 2019 13:55:45 GMT 7
Thanks to ridiculous rules, nowadays no normal broker in the UK will allow non-residents living outside Europe open an account. (I know, I've asked them all.) There is one I know of (can't immediately remember the name, but begins with "P" I think), but it's aimed at high net worth individuals. (It's similarly virtually impossible to find an IFA in the UK prepared to work with people in this category. I know of one, but it works through local agents and doesn't give the same protection as a UK-based adviser.) Do you still have a UK address? No, unfortunately not, had little to do with the UK since the late seventies, never earned money there or paid taxes or NI since then.
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Post by GavinK on Jun 25, 2019 14:33:57 GMT 7
-Outside Thailand, places like Singapore have decent options. Based on the amounts mention, you'd be able to get Priority Banking or equivalent with banks like Stan Chart Singapore, with a dedicated Relationship Manager, RM. Singapore fees are higher than say the UK, but well below what you are getting ripped off for. Fo active managed funds: More like 1%-2% entry and annual fees of 1% - 1.5%. Also within a safer regulatory environment under MAS Singapore and could be linked to banking arrangements. You could open a brokerage account with Stan Chart and just buy exchange traded funds linked to indices which would cost around 0.2% brokerage and fees on the ETFs around 0.1% to 0.5% p.a. Just average index performance but the advantage of low fees so most of the returns go to you. - If you can open an account with the likes of Hargreaves Lansdown, AJ Bell etc in UK, fees would be much cheaper and better range of funds, with safer regulation. Likely 0% initial charge 0.1% - 1.5% annual charge depending on funds selected, and say 0.25% p.a. for a platform fee I use all of the above options to varying degrees. Do UK brokers offering a brokerage account to be able to buy USD denominated EFTs such as the ishares EFT which AyG noted above, or do you have to suffer the brokers GBP/USD exchange rate ? I looked at SCB SG online trading account and they don't appear to have this ishare EFT listed in the 300 or so which they offer.
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