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Post by Mosha on Apr 14, 2022 3:38:51 GMT 7
Finland and Sweden are considering NATO membership .
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Post by chiangmai on Apr 14, 2022 5:39:58 GMT 7
Finland and Sweden are considering NATO membership . That should end well! I suspect an acceptable solution might be something other than NATO, at least something that doesn't include the US. If we're honest about things, the US doesn't really have a place in NATO any longer because a North Atlantic treaty alliance is no longer needed, except that the US wants to control Russia. It's unpalatable to say this in light of events but Putin does have a point. A European alliance would be appropriate, here we are back at the concept of a European army once again!
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Post by rubl on Apr 14, 2022 8:23:04 GMT 7
Finland and Sweden are considering NATO membership . That should end well! I suspect an acceptable solution might be something other than NATO, at least something that doesn't include the US. If we're honest about things, the US doesn't really have a place in NATO any longer because a North Atlantic treaty alliance is no longer needed, except that the US wants to control Russia. It's unpalatable to say this in light of events but Putin does have a point. A European alliance would be appropriate, here we are back at the concept of a European army once again! Both Sweden and Finland have a point. Sovereign nations and so. furthermore Finland still remembers the Winter War and how they lost parts of Karelia to Stalin's land grabbing similar to what Putin is now trying in the Eastern parts of Ukraine. I've been at the Enso-Gutzeit Timber Works in Imatra. Before the war they used to be a few kilometers further East.
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Post by chiangmai on Apr 14, 2022 11:06:53 GMT 7
Imagine you and I are neighbor's, we live on the same street side by side. You're a bit of a party animal but not OTT. I on the other hand am quiet and peace loving, I tolerate your lifestyle because we're neighbo0urs. Across the street is a bunch of houses all owned by the same person, they are big time party animals, 24x7. You want to join in and hold raves at your house on a rotating basis, with the guys across the street. That leaves me in a difficult spot, I could let you go ahead and do that, in which case I'll not get any sleep or peace and quiet every fourth day, or, I could come over to your house and beat the sh*t out of you. Which course of action would be right for me to take? Well, whilst beating the crap out of you has some appeal and might be jolly good fun, it's viewed as a tad antisocial in some quarters. On the other hand, I value my peace and quiet. I have tried to talk to you but you wont listen. I don't want anything from you, I just don't want your new friends puking over my fence and craping in my garden every week and keeping me awake until 4am.
Remember, there's no right or wrong answer, only your answer.
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Post by rubl on Apr 14, 2022 12:16:32 GMT 7
Imagine you and I are neighbor's, we live on the same street side by side. You're a bit of a party animal but not OTT. I on the other hand am quiet and peace loving, I tolerate your lifestyle because we're neighbo0urs. Across the street is a bunch of houses all owned by the same person, they are big time party animals, 24x7. You want to join in and hold raves at your house on a rotating basis, with the guys across the street. That leaves me in a difficult spot, I could let you go ahead and do that, in which case I'll not get any sleep or peace and quiet every fourth day, or, I could come over to your house and beat the sh*t out of you. Which course of action would be right for me to take? Well, whilst beating the crap out of you has some appeal and might be jolly good fun, it's viewed as a tad antisocial in some quarters. On the other hand, I value my peace and quiet. I have tried to talk to you but you wont listen. I don't want anything from you, I just don't want your new friends puking over my fence and craping in my garden every week and keeping me awake until 4am. Remember, there's no right or wrong answer, only your answer. You're starting to sound like an American. What's next, telling me Putin was provoked into the Special Military Operation Massacres by the Russian Army in Ukraine? "‘Thirty dead and 100 wounded’ as Russian missile hits Ukrainian railway station" expressdigest.com/thirty-dead-and-100-wounded-as-russian-missile-hits-ukrainian-railway-station/i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/08/09/56369213-10699187-Pictured_A_scene_of_devastation_outside_the_train_station_on_Fri-a-15_1649408022939.jpg
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Post by rubl on Apr 14, 2022 12:30:48 GMT 7
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Post by AyG on Apr 14, 2022 12:43:41 GMT 7
^^^ Look on the bright side: the teenage boys who were raped didn't get pregnant.
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Post by Mosha on Apr 15, 2022 10:28:55 GMT 7
Finland and Sweden are considering NATO membership . That should end well! I suspect an acceptable solution might be something other than NATO, at least something that doesn't include the US. If we're honest about things, the US doesn't really have a place in NATO any longer because a North Atlantic treaty alliance is no longer needed, except that the US wants to control Russia. It's unpalatable to say this in light of events but Putin does have a point. A European alliance would be appropriate, here we are back at the concept of a European army once again! Russia already occupies 1/4 of Finnish land from a 1939 conflict. It's not NATO courting them, it's them seeking membership.
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Post by Mosha on Apr 15, 2022 10:32:45 GMT 7
In other news Russia's Black Sea Flag Ship The Moskva is now providing refuge to marine life after an armaments explosion on board.
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Post by rott on Apr 15, 2022 15:19:07 GMT 7
^^^ Look on the bright side: the teenage boys who were raped didn't get pregnant. KREMLIN SAYS THE WEST BEHAVING LIKE BANDITS Well it seems the Russians are behaving like arse bandits. Their choice of course, no discrimination here.
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Post by chiangmai on Apr 15, 2022 15:42:40 GMT 7
In other news Russia's Black Sea Flag Ship The Moskva is now providing refuge to marine life after an armaments explosion on board. The oceans need more artificial reefs, especially Ruskie ones.
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Post by rubl on Apr 15, 2022 21:10:51 GMT 7
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Post by rubl on Apr 16, 2022 11:38:06 GMT 7
In other news Russia's Black Sea Flag Ship The Moskva is now providing refuge to marine life after an armaments explosion on board. The oceans need more artificial reefs, especially Ruskie ones. Not yet CM, other uses have been found. "PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT From The Russian Coast Guard Recent reports of Russian navy's flagship Moskva sinking are untrue. The Russian navy has converted the cruiser into a new type of submarine. It is undergoing its first underwater trials on the Black Sea " Rumours that the Thai Navy is interested and looking forward to get permission to participate in the sea trials are unfounded.
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Post by Mosha on Apr 16, 2022 13:35:08 GMT 7
Built by Ukrainians, sunk by Ukrainians.
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Post by rubl on Apr 16, 2022 14:04:20 GMT 7
Built by Ukrainians, sunk by Ukrainians. 61 Kommunara Shipbuilding Plant (SY 445), Mykolaiv, Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic Interesting anecdote "The Soviet Government awarded Mykolaiv the Order of the Red Banner of Labour on 31 December 1970, for successfully fulfilling its assignments for the development of industrial production, in the USSR's five-year economic plan."
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