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Post by chiangmai on Nov 15, 2023 5:52:52 GMT 7
It's difficult to interpret what is being said when the journo doesn't even understand what he wants to say and certainly doesn't know what's going on! Yes "the baht fell to a one week low", but it also says, "as other regional currencies also shrank against the Dollar". So there's nothing Thai or Baht specific about any of this, despite the headline saying that "investors are balking against the lack of financial discipline". I'm pretty sure this is about investor funds chasing a better yield by flowing out of Thai bonds and equities, into US equities, on the back of Jerome's speech. USD has weakened to 104, meanwhile the S&P surged two days ago by 1.24% and this morning, by 2.25% whilst bond yields fell. Investor money does not want to be in Thai bonds when the yield on US equities is on the up and rates appear to have peaked which means bond values will increase. Neither does it want to be in a Thai interest rate environment of 2.25% when the US is over 5%. So the first part of all of this is capital flows chasing yield which is a normal state of play. As for whether or not investors are happy at the lack of fiscal discipline, I'll be surprised if they are. Investors have probably decided that the future is a weaker baht and the 10k giveaway is to blame. So investors have said, right, I'm off across the pond where things are looking up, see you later. All in all this is once again an inflation story. The Fed has decided that inflation is coming down so there's less need to increase rates. That means US equities and US bond values will gain hence investors have said, I'll have some of that, fare thee well Thailand.
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Post by Mosha on Nov 15, 2023 19:53:52 GMT 7
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Post by chiangmai on Nov 15, 2023 20:10:16 GMT 7
Interesting combination, a falling USD (which means a stronger Baht), a rising GBP and a THB that's rising because of high season but falling because of the 10K baht scheme and lack of fiscal discipline. It could be that THB is the winner here, at least until the end of high season.
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Post by chiangmai on Nov 16, 2023 5:25:06 GMT 7
I'm old and demented so I can't remember if I posted this previously, in case I haven't, here it is. In coming weeks I may post it yet again, such are the joys of reaching the mid 70's.
More fascinating trivia with which to enthrall the ladies in the Blow Me Bar on Soi Cowboy.
Total Workforce = 38 million 46% in Services = 18 million Government = 490,000 32% in agriculture = 12 million 22% in industry = 8 million
Agriculture accounts for 7% of all exports but employs 32% of the workforce 22% of the workforce is employed in industry and produce the remaining goods exports. 46% of the workforce is engaged in Services, including services exports.
Agriculture and industry employee 54% of the workforce which produces goods exports, these are things or stuff that are made or grown. Services employes 46% of the workforce, which produces services exports, these include everything tourism related.
The weak link in all of this is that almost half of the population is devoted to Services, much of which is tourism related but only 22% of the Workforce actually make stuff.
And of course, a disproportionately high percentage of the workforce is engaged in agriculture, 32% of the workforce. In order to better their lives and earn more money, workers abandon that sector and enter Services, which is why tourism is all important to the Thai economy..
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Post by chiangmai on Nov 23, 2023 5:47:32 GMT 7
I'm trying now to get my head (but not my thyroid RiP) around what's happening in the markets, it's helpful to take a break and look again, fresh. USD has been strong for a long time, many think it's due for a fall, it's down to 103.8 currently which is along way from where it was and bond yields are down. Why? It's the government debt thing, it just keeps going on and on, up and up, as Keynes once said, "trees don't grow to the sky". US and UK inflation seems to be falling which means no more rate increases (maybe). Rate cuts is another story, the UK seems to be a year away, the US may be sooner, dunno. But rates in TH are half of that in the West and the GDP growth forecasts are at least double if not more! Plus, US markets are substantially overvalued, the most of any major market globally, the following quote helps explain: "One of the best ways of gauging the relative valuations of various countries’ stock markets is with the cyclically-adjusted price/earnings, or CAPE, ratio. This is the valuation indicator made famous by Yale University finance professor Robert Shiller. The accompanying chart shows that the U.S.’s CAPE ratio is currently higher than 77% of all monthly U.S. readings since 1981. That percentile is higher than the comparable reading for any other developed country’s stock market for which data are available over the past four decades". www.marketwatch.com/articles/stock-market-valuations-e76d117f?mod=mw_quote_newsOil looks reasonably priced at $78 plus the ME seems under control for the moment, that bodes well for economic recovery for many countries. What else? Thai tourism numbers maybe. Anecdotally, there seems to be a shed load of foreign tourists of all nationalities around Chiang Mai, my guess is the numbers are good. The UK just delivered their budget, nobody seems to be wowed by its contents, many think it's a pre-election giveaway under difficult economic circumstances. It seems highly likely the next government will be under Labor and markets know that, they also know that there's a borrowings black hole that the next government will have to contend with. Debt is 100% of GDP and taxation is at a record high, if I was a conservative politician I might be happy to lose the next election, just so I didn't have to deal with all this and in a few years time I could blame Labor. tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/government-debt-to-gdp So, what to conclude? I score it as follows: US - BIG minus on debt, big minus on company valuations, a plus on lower USD and exports. Elections in one year are a wildcard, BUT, the far right seems popular in many countries. Low GDP growth forecast UK - minus on debt, minus on taxation and government change. Low GDP growth forecast TH - plus on tourism (for two months at least), plus on lower oil price and exports, plus on low debt. GDP growth forecast better than most. El Nino year may spoil things later plus burning season and pollution may hurt tourism in 1Q24. I think the landscape favours the Baht but as always, caveat emptor.
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Post by chiangmai on Nov 23, 2023 14:08:42 GMT 7
www.tradingmastery.com.au/There are lots of such places around, some good, most not, this one looks like it might be OK, judging solely from the endorsements. These sites tend to teach certain aspects of investing and explain the jargon, the problem is they rarely start at the right place. Learning how to invest is one thing, that's the technical part that can be learned. The other part is about your own risk appetite and understand what that is and what it means. There's also the the subject of discipline which is equally as hard. You could always try the free part, if you thought it was worthwhile and what you wanted to do. But before you go any further and start to pay for the rest of the course, you perhaps need to take a serious pause and assess if this is you or not. Personally, I would pass, if I were you.
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Post by oldie on Nov 23, 2023 16:39:18 GMT 7
www.tradingmastery.com.au/There are lots of such places around, some good, most not, this one looks like it might be OK, judging solely from the endorsements. These sites tend to teach certain aspects of investing and explain the jargon, the problem is they rarely start at the right place. Learning how to invest is one thing, that's the technical part that can be learned. The other part is about your own risk appetite and understand what that is and what it means. There's also the the subject of discipline which is equally as hard. You could always try the free part, if you thought it was worthwhile and what you wanted to do. But before you go any further and start to pay for the rest of the course, you perhaps need to take a serious pause and assess if this is you or not. Personally, I would pass, if I were you. Yeah thanx. I'll do the free videos, but betting on horse racing isn't my thing. You know, dumb cuunt and all that.
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Post by oldie on Nov 23, 2023 16:43:28 GMT 7
I was actually thinking of translating it into hyroglyphics and getting it chiseled onto my tombstone.
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Post by qece on Nov 23, 2023 19:21:12 GMT 7
Interesting combination, a falling USD (which means a stronger Baht), a rising GBP and a THB that's rising because of high season but falling because of the 10K baht scheme and lack of fiscal discipline. It could be that THB is the winner here, at least until the end of high season. Should be expecting the Baht to remain stable....as it always has. Sleight of hand manipulation has always worked.
Thailand would be better off joining the BRICS gang.
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Post by chiangmai on Nov 23, 2023 19:44:52 GMT 7
Interesting combination, a falling USD (which means a stronger Baht), a rising GBP and a THB that's rising because of high season but falling because of the 10K baht scheme and lack of fiscal discipline. It could be that THB is the winner here, at least until the end of high season. Should be expecting the Baht to remain stable....as it always has. Sleight of hand manipulation has always worked.
Thailand would be better off joining the BRICS gang.
Except THB is one of the most volatile currencies there is, 3% intraday swings are not uncommon. A combination of its size and the demand makes it so, stable is the last thing it is. Part of the problem is that THB is a very small boutique currency, it represents less than 0.5% of the forex but it is also one of the most heavily (22nd) traded. And because it is boutique, it has no direct relationship with many currencies as must use pairing with USD to establish a cross rate. GBP/THB for example is derived from USD/THB x GBP/THB. Lastly, Thailand is an export led economy and export bills are settled in USD which means the USD/THB exchange rate is the key tracking rate and USD is far from stable. www.businesstimes.com.sg/companies-markets/thai-baht-more-volatile-its-peers-central-bank-chief
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Post by chiangmai on Nov 24, 2023 4:28:34 GMT 7
If anyone is interested in investing and doesn't know where to start, they could do worse than to look into a minimalist portfolio that comprises say two or three investment funds that are highly diversified. The first one I have in mind is a global equities tracker that tracks the performance of major equity markets around the world. The idea of global trackers is that you spread your risk across various markets, as one market goes up or down, the others may perform differently and often do. You can of course over diversify and in doing so, lose the benefits of diversification which is why each global tracker is a different size and contains different things, there are several ways to slice the same cake. Holding a global equities tracker doesn't mean there is no risk, the value of these trackers can and will fall but over time they can out perform smaller more focussed funds. I held the HSBC FTSE All World tracker fund whose performance is really good, as the screen shot below confirms (see performance on the right of the screen). The cost to own the fund is also low, only 0.13% which is very good. Several companies have these products, Vanguard, Amundi, iShares, SPDR and others, you have to decide how much global coverage you want and how cheap you want the cost to be. The only potential downside to these trackers is that they go up and down with the markets and when they go down, you have to stay with the ride, there's no fund manager to switch to something safer. If you're investing over several years, this is not a problem. These funds hold between 3,500 and nearly 10,000 shares in different companies around the world or at least emulate those holdings. The second part of this is diversification away from equities, into bonds or other investment products. The old mantra used to be that as equities (stocks and shares) fell, bonds would rise in value and vica versa, that meant that if you held both, one would compensate for the other in times of stress. That relationship broke down for a while and there was a period of time when they both moved in the same direction but that relationship does not seem to have been lasting. Many of you will recall the at times acrimonious debate about 60/40 between AyG and myself which had this subject at its heart. The facts are that not every type of investment performs in the same way and there are many different types of investment. It's just that bonds and equities are the two largest and probably the two best known types so these probably should be at the core of any investment portfolio. I cover the bond markets by holding yet another global tracker which is the Vanguard Global Bond Index that contains over 19,000 bonds from different global markets so it's amply diversified. Bonds can be very tricky to understand, they have a purchase price and a yield (or interest rate return), both of which move in opposite directions based on whether the Central Bank rates are rising or falling. Right now, interest rates are at or near to a peak so the next movement will be down. That will mean that the value of bonds will increase whilst their yield will decrease. If rates were to rise again, the opposite would happen. The cost to hold the Vanguard fund is 0.15% hence very low. So there you have it, if you look back through the investing threads you'll see that Fletchsmile wrote up lots of brilliant stuff on this subject but it takes a while to read and digest. I think the two fund portfolio I have described above is a reasonable way for somebody to get into investing and put idle money to work whilst being able to sleep at night and not get their hands dirty. As Charlie Munger of Berkshire said, "buy it and forget about it". Just food for thought, in an idle moment. A second
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Post by siampolee on Nov 25, 2023 9:44:06 GMT 7
It seems as if the Prophets of Doom are in fine form. One is led to wonder what the impact might be on the Thai Baht (if any) should these projections be on target...
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Post by chiangmai on Nov 25, 2023 10:49:13 GMT 7
It seems as if the Prophets of Doom are in fine form. One is led to wonder what the impact might be on the Thai Baht (if any) should these projections be on target... The value of equities and FOREX are not always directly linked, a cause in one might have an impact in the other but not necessaily. The question is, why would the S&P crash? Overvaluation is a likely cause but a crash is far from certain, remember, equity markets are forward looking. A strong USD might also cause it to fall but currently the USD is falling. Also, increasing bond yields might point towards a fall but currently the spread between the 10 year and 3 year bonds is reducing. I think it's a given that equities will continue to be volatile but a crash, I'm not too sure. ycharts.com/indicators/10_year_3_month_treasury_spreadSo really, the impact on the Baht depends on the cause of any S&P crash rather than any downwards movement alone. If a strong USD, yes, THB would weaken which is to our advantage. If the cause is over valuation, I would expect some contagion to affect Thai stocks also which would have a similar effect. From an expat perspective, our biggest risk to the THB exchange rate is if USD weakens too much because that would give us a worse exchange rate against USD and the Pound.
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Post by siampolee on Nov 25, 2023 17:31:00 GMT 7
Seems all is not so rosy on the digital front both here in Thailand and elsewhere, of course it may all change in the blink of an eye, who knows or who hopes?
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