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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 16:59:44 GMT 7
And getting on for being the most highly educated in the world - www.itv.com/news/update/2014-06-05/scotland-most-well-educated-country-in-europe/ "Scotland is the most highly educated country in Europe and among the best-educated in the world, according to new figures released by the Office for National Statistics (ONS). The study suggests that almost 40% of Scottish people aged 16 to 64 have an NVQ level 4 and above, while the UK as a whole falls below two-fifths with Romania and Italy at the bottom of the league." To be honest, I think it's still way too low - we still have too many kids leaving school with sub-standard education. On the positive side - our free university fee policy is great. And our generous policy in attracting foreign students. We need to up the ante on both levels, I would like to see far more foreign students, and I would like to see us funding our kids through to Phd. |
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Post by me on Oct 1, 2015 17:16:33 GMT 7
And getting on for being the most highly educated in the world - www.itv.com/news/update/2014-06-05/scotland-most-well-educated-country-in-europe/ "Scotland is the most highly educated country in Europe and among the best-educated in the world, according to new figures released by the Office for National Statistics (ONS). The study suggests that almost 40% of Scottish people aged 16 to 64 have an NVQ level 4 and above, while the UK as a whole falls below two-fifths with Romania and Italy at the bottom of the league." To be honest, I think it's still way too low - we still have too many kids leaving school with sub-standard education. On the positive side - our free university fee policy is great. And our generous policy in attracting foreign students. We need to up the ante on both levels, I would like to see far more foreign students, and I would like to see us funding our kids through to Phd. there is much I agree with in your post but in looking at Australia there are many who are just wharehoused in the schools instead of having their training needs met. Keeping them in school till they are 20 may keep the dole figures low but the oportunity to provide the lost with suitible vocational training is lost. The kids are then marginalised for life. Read more: bigmango.boards.net/thread/523/on-day-history-humour-challenge?page=29#ixzz3nJGZfDHF |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 17:22:03 GMT 7
^^ Yup - I reckon the comprehensive education system has blighted education in the UK. The academic minded still manage to find their way through, while the "trades," minded end up spending three or four years confined in a system that fails them. We need to go back to having more technical high schools.
I don't mind the kids being forced to either be in work/training or education till they are 18, as is the law now ( a recent change ). As long as we give them a high quality pre-apprenticeship style education between the ages of 14 - 18, and from age 16 have them out on work experience in their chosen field.
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Post by smokie36 on Oct 1, 2015 19:41:27 GMT 7
Kids should be forced to spend a year working before entering college or university.
Too many leave uni with no clue as to how the workplace operates.
It would serve to teach some of them the value of money as well!
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Post by smokie36 on Oct 1, 2015 19:44:34 GMT 7
Scottish state school education is good by comparison with England but in many areas still fails...there is certainly better out there and we have to keep making improvements...not sit back on our laurels.
I still see the kids wandering out to the chip van at lunchtimes....you'd have thought the SNP in their wisdom could fix this one together with the schools and parents...sad to see.
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Post by Mango Fletchsmile on Oct 1, 2015 21:13:48 GMT 7
Sounds to me like the person running the ONS as well as the person writing the article are both uneducated Scots  |
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Post by rgs2001uk on Oct 1, 2015 22:15:34 GMT 7
^^ Yup - I reckon the comprehensive education system has blighted education in the UK. The academic minded still manage to find their way through, while the "trades," minded end up spending three or four years confined in a system that fails them. We need to go back to having more technical high schools. I don't mind the kids being forced to either be in work/training or education till they are 18, as is the law now ( a recent change ). As long as we give them a high quality pre-apprenticeship style education between the ages of 14 - 18, and from age 16 have them out on work experience in their chosen field. Define apprenticeship. When I was at school, it was almost predetrmined, top 10-15%, its uni for you. Next 10-15 %, tech college for you, eg, apprenticeship, a 4 year at least to gain a C&G qualification. The rest would be labourers, cannon fodder etc. Of the rest were the factory workers, or the its not what you know but who you know who got a job with the council and freewheeled through life before picking up a pension. Makes me laff when I hear about bloody appreticeships, where, on a building site, in the ship yards, in the coal mines, oh lets wait a minute, we closed them all down, cheaper to import coal from Poland. No wonder SSI in Redcar has gone bust. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 22:24:53 GMT 7
^^ I was an apprentice engineer. From memory, less than ten percent of our kids went on to uni back then. Yes, the steel plant I served in has closed, but there are still thousands upon thousands of skilled workers required - including plumbers, mechanics etc. We abandoned genuine technical training and now we're paying the price.
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Post by smokie36 on Oct 1, 2015 22:36:02 GMT 7
I went to uni....but that in itself was loaded in favour of some.
Such is life!
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Post by rgs2001uk on Oct 1, 2015 22:37:39 GMT 7
^^ I was an apprentice engineer. From memory, less than ten percent of our kids went on to uni back then. Yes, the steel plant I served in has closed, but there are still thousands upon thousands of skilled workers required - including plumbers, mechanics etc. We abandoned genuine technical training and now we're paying the price. Its called captitalism, its cheaper to import from overseas. Hence why I will never understand the Jocks heading head over heels into Europe, lets throw Scots on the dole, its cheaper to import Polish coal. Thousands upon thousands, sure I agree, tell Billy Big Yin Conolly his skills are no longer required and he should retrain or get an apprenticeship as a IT worker. Tell the Red Leaders ( by red leaders I mean the guys painting red lead onto ships) they can retrain as IFAs, jeez you couldnt make this shyt up. When I was at school engineers had degrees, others went to college and graduated with HNDs or ONC or tradesmen had C&G or advanced C&G. Have never heard of apprentice engineer, do you mean tradesman? As in Electrician or plumber? In my line of work we had, labourers, unskilled mechanics,mechanics, skilled mechanics, technicians and engineers. Sorry to be pedantic. |
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Post by Soutpeel on Oct 1, 2015 23:10:09 GMT 7
^^ I was an apprentice engineer. From memory, less than ten percent of our kids went on to uni back then. Yes, the steel plant I served in has closed, but there are still thousands upon thousands of skilled workers required - including plumbers, mechanics etc. We abandoned genuine technical training and now we're paying the price. Its called captitalism, its cheaper to import from overseas. Hence why I will never understand the Jocks heading head over heels into Europe, lets throw Scots on the dole, its cheaper to import Polish coal. Thousands upon thousands, sure I agree, tell Billy Big Yin Conolly his skills are no longer required and he should retrain or get an apprenticeship as a IT worker. Tell the Red Leaders ( by red leaders I mean the guys painting red lead onto ships) they can retrain as IFAs, jeez you couldnt make this shyt up. When I was at school engineers had degrees, others went to college and graduated with HNDs or ONC or tradesmen had C&G or advanced C&G. Have never heard of apprentice engineer, do you mean tradesman? As in Electrician or plumber? In my line of work we had, labourers, unskilled mechanics,mechanics, skilled mechanics, technicians and engineers. Sorry to be pedantic. The problem you have with this term "engineer" is that there is no proper defintion as such, the only time it really gets defined is when people become PEng or Chartered engineer for example i hold a degree (BSc) in Physical metallurgy...which these days would be materials science.. but am i an engineer ? In my mind no, but someone may define me...god forbid a "a scientist"...but the funny thing is my job grading where i work is one of "senior engineer" and the fact is i havent done "Engineering" things in over 20 years as my role is more management these days than "technical" |
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Post by rgs2001uk on Oct 1, 2015 23:22:27 GMT 7
^^^,Soutie, degrees have no sell by date, they never go out of fashion, and are actually transferable. Yes you are engineer qualified and always will be. If you didnt possess the degree you wouldnt be where you are, it opens dorrs, others hit glass ceileings. Yeah banging rivets in on the shop floor aint for me either, much prefer a nice a/c office with a jingly to bring me a cuppa when needed. See you later on the TEFLr forum, , where can I land a gig upcountry with my o level woodwork, Little Lek says she lurve me long time, desperatley seeking work in Sri Chai, Mama nooden no ploblem, can drink Archa and Lao kao, smoke wonder daeng also. |
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Post by rgs2001uk on Oct 1, 2015 23:27:17 GMT 7
What would the oregon oracle call these, sanitation and enviormental engineers?  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 23:48:42 GMT 7
^^ I was an apprentice engineer. From memory, less than ten percent of our kids went on to uni back then. Yes, the steel plant I served in has closed, but there are still thousands upon thousands of skilled workers required - including plumbers, mechanics etc. We abandoned genuine technical training and now we're paying the price. Its called captitalism, its cheaper to import from overseas. Hence why I will never understand the Jocks heading head over heels into Europe, lets throw Scots on the dole, its cheaper to import Polish coal. Thousands upon thousands, sure I agree, tell Billy Big Yin Conolly his skills are no longer required and he should retrain or get an apprenticeship as a IT worker. Tell the Red Leaders ( by red leaders I mean the guys painting red lead onto ships) they can retrain as IFAs, jeez you couldnt make this shyt up. When I was at school engineers had degrees, others went to college and graduated with HNDs or ONC or tradesmen had C&G or advanced C&G. Have never heard of apprentice engineer, do you mean tradesman? As in Electrician or plumber? In my line of work we had, labourers, unskilled mechanics,mechanics, skilled mechanics, technicians and engineers. Sorry to be pedantic. Mechanical and maintenance to be precise, shorthand woud be fitter. From memory I did an HNC - but the brutal truth of the matter is, I hated every minute of that job. |
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Post by Soutpeel on Oct 1, 2015 23:54:44 GMT 7
^^^,Soutie, degrees have no sell by date, they never go out of fashion, and are actually transferable. Yes you are engineer qualified and always will be. If you didnt possess the degree you wouldnt be where you are, it opens dorrs, others hit glass ceileings. Yeah banging rivets in on the shop floor aint for me either, much prefer a nice a/c office with a jingly to bring me a cuppa when needed. See you later on the TEFLr forum, , where can I land a gig upcountry with my o level woodwork, Little Lek says she lurve me long time, desperatley seeking work in Sri Chai, Mama nooden no ploblem, can drink Archa and Lao kao, smoke wonder daeng also. Oh yes the glass ceiling is there more so today than there ever was in the past if i was starting out on my career today, i wouldnt get a look in, the expectation today is a minimum of an MSc or prefarably a Phd, but the irony is i have taken on Phd guys in the past and tore strips off them...the thing that has carried me over the years is the experience not the academic aspect of things but the sad thing is in this day and age, the bit of paper is more important than everything else even if the person concerned is a clueless half wit or educated idiot as my old Dad likes to call them...for me i only need a few more years say 3 to 5 years and they can kiss my arse i an going to kick stones on a beach in Cape Town |
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