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Oct 8, 2015 17:57:06 GMT 7
Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 17:57:06 GMT 7
T.S Eliot is another favourite. The Hollow Men Mistah Kurtz-he dead A penny for the Old Guy We are the hollow men We are the stuffed men Leaning together Headpiece filled with straw. Alas! Our dried voices, when We whisper together Are quiet and meaningless As wind in dry grass Or rats' feet over broken glass In our dry cellar Shape without form, shade without colour, Paralysed force, gesture without motion; Those who have crossed With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom Remember us-if at all-not as lost Violent souls, but only As the hollow men The stuffed men. allpoetry.com/The-Hollow-Men
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Oct 8, 2015 18:07:26 GMT 7
Post by buhi on Oct 8, 2015 18:07:26 GMT 7
The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock
By T. S. Eliot
S’io credesse che mia risposta fosse A persona che mai tornasse al mondo, Questa fiamma staria senza piu scosse. Ma percioche giammai di questo fondo Non torno vivo alcun, s’i’odo il vero, Senza tema d’infamia ti rispondo.
Let us go then, you and I,
When the evening is spread out against the sky
Like a patient etherized upon a table;
Let us go, through certain half-deserted streets,
The muttering retreats
Of restless nights in one-night cheap hotels
And sawdust restaurants with oyster-shells:
Streets that follow like a tedious argument
Of insidious intent
To lead you to an overwhelming question ...
Oh, do not ask, “What is it?”
Let us go and make our visit.
In the room the women come and go
Talking of Michelangelo.
The yellow fog that rubs its back upon the window-panes,
The yellow smoke that rubs its muzzle on the window-panes,
Licked its tongue into the corners of the evening,
Lingered upon the pools that stand in drains,
Let fall upon its back the soot that falls from chimneys,
Slipped by the terrace, made a sudden leap,
And seeing that it was a soft October night,
Curled once about the house, and fell asleep.
And indeed there will be time
For the yellow smoke that slides along the street,
Rubbing its back upon the window-panes;
There will be time, there will be time
To prepare a face to meet the faces that you meet;
There will be time to murder and create,
And time for all the works and days of hands
That lift and drop a question on your plate;
Time for you and time for me,
And time yet for a hundred indecisions,
And for a hundred visions and revisions,
Before the taking of a toast and tea.
In the room the women come and go
Talking of Michelangelo.
And indeed there will be time
To wonder, “Do I dare?” and, “Do I dare?”
Time to turn back and descend the stair,
With a bald spot in the middle of my hair —
(They will say: “How his hair is growing thin!”)
My morning coat, my collar mounting firmly to the chin,
My necktie rich and modest, but asserted by a simple pin —
(They will say: “But how his arms and legs are thin!”)
Do I dare
Disturb the universe?
In a minute there is time
For decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse.
For I have known them all already, known them all:
Have known the evenings, mornings, afternoons,
I have measured out my life with coffee spoons;
I know the voices dying with a dying fall
Beneath the music from a farther room.
So how should I presume?
And I have known the eyes already, known them all—
The eyes that fix you in a formulated phrase,
And when I am formulated, sprawling on a pin,
When I am pinned and wriggling on the wall,
Then how should I begin
To spit out all the butt-ends of my days and ways?
And how should I presume?
And I have known the arms already, known them all—
Arms that are braceleted and white and bare
(But in the lamplight, downed with light brown hair!)
Is it perfume from a dress
That makes me so digress?
Arms that lie along a table, or wrap about a shawl.
And should I then presume?
And how should I begin?
Shall I say, I have gone at dusk through narrow streets
And watched the smoke that rises from the pipes
Of lonely men in shirt-sleeves, leaning out of windows? ...
I should have been a pair of ragged claws
Scuttling across the floors of silent seas.
And the afternoon, the evening, sleeps so peacefully!
Smoothed by long fingers,
Asleep ... tired ... or it malingers,
Stretched on the floor, here beside you and me.
Should I, after tea and cakes and ices,
Have the strength to force the moment to its crisis?
But though I have wept and fasted, wept and prayed,
Though I have seen my head (grown slightly bald) brought in upon a platter,
I am no prophet — and here’s no great matter;
I have seen the moment of my greatness flicker,
And I have seen the eternal Footman hold my coat, and snicker,
And in short, I was afraid.
And would it have been worth it, after all,
After the cups, the marmalade, the tea,
Among the porcelain, among some talk of you and me,
Would it have been worth while,
To have bitten off the matter with a smile,
To have squeezed the universe into a ball
To roll it towards some overwhelming question,
To say: “I am Lazarus, come from the dead,
Come back to tell you all, I shall tell you all”—
If one, settling a pillow by her head
Should say: “That is not what I meant at all;
That is not it, at all.”
And would it have been worth it, after all,
Would it have been worth while,
After the sunsets and the dooryards and the sprinkled streets,
After the novels, after the teacups, after the skirts that trail along the floor—
And this, and so much more?—
It is impossible to say just what I mean!
But as if a magic lantern threw the nerves in patterns on a screen:
Would it have been worth while
If one, settling a pillow or throwing off a shawl,
And turning toward the window, should say:
“That is not it at all,
That is not what I meant, at all.”
No! I am not Prince Hamlet, nor was meant to be;
Am an attendant lord, one that will do
To swell a progress, start a scene or two,
Advise the prince; no doubt, an easy tool,
Deferential, glad to be of use,
Politic, cautious, and meticulous;
Full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse;
At times, indeed, almost ridiculous—
Almost, at times, the Fool.
I grow old ... I grow old ...
I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.
Shall I part my hair behind? Do I dare to eat a peach?
I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.
I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each.
I do not think that they will sing to me.
I have seen them riding seaward on the waves
Combing the white hair of the waves blown back
When the wind blows the water white and black.
We have lingered in the chambers of the sea
By sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown
Till human voices wake us, and we drown.
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Oct 8, 2015 18:08:47 GMT 7
Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 18:08:47 GMT 7
www.readbookonline.net/readOnLine/296/Thank you all for the discussion. Kipling , well I have read little and admit his reputation has prevented me from choosing to read more. At a time when literature was finding new boundaries, his conservative style, though admirable in its craft , added to his extensive travels which should have provided him with a wider perspective (opinion), but he harks back to an Imperialistic past. I agree, that is my opinion and I do not doubt his skills. At the same time, the Bloomsbury group, yes lefty liberals, were opening floodgates in style and critique. To publish or not to publish, that is a question. For money? For ego? To hope you might change the course of history? To share? I have nothing new to share. Mostly write for yourself, stream of consciousness I also enjoy but structured well written pieces are a gem especially ones that age well and are rediscovered by a generation or a few later.
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Oct 8, 2015 18:09:55 GMT 7
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Oct 8, 2015 18:16:30 GMT 7
Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 18:16:30 GMT 7
Very nice buhi.
Years ago I was in this theatre company and I was cast as Lady Macbeth. Also did it in high school. Fun stuff.
Speaking in the tongue of the great bard had me confuddled in the beginning, but I took to the character like steak and salt go together. My parents were sick of me in the house practicing my lines, 'Out, damned spot! Out, I say!'
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Oct 8, 2015 18:33:24 GMT 7
Post by buhi on Oct 8, 2015 18:33:24 GMT 7
Very nice buhi. Years ago I was in this theatre company and I was cast as Lady Macbeth. Also did it in high school. Fun stuff. Speaking in the tongue of the great bard had me confuddled in the beginning, but I took to the character like steak and salt go together. My parents were sick of me in the house practicing my lines, 'Out, damned spot! Out, I say!' Did you read my previous entry? The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock by T. S. Eliot : I hope so. How much money did he make from it? Did he care? I doubt it.
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Oct 8, 2015 18:36:11 GMT 7
Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 18:36:11 GMT 7
Awww ffs Buhi - stop. Women didn't write for money because of inherited wealth? To write for money is prostitution of self? I'm appalled - I know of hundreds of women that make a full time living from writing. You should be ashamed of yourself for spouting such misogynistic drivel. Now? Are you citing Jane Austin, Emily Bronte, George Elliot, Mary Shelley, Virginia Woolf? Point out which one of those ladies rejected payment from her publisher. You are glorying in romanticized drivel. Four of the authors there were banned from having the - VOTE! They were to know their place; I would lay short odds that all of them would have been ecstatic to be writers today - first among equals. And being PAID for writing.
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Oct 8, 2015 18:47:10 GMT 7
Post by buhi on Oct 8, 2015 18:47:10 GMT 7
Simple answer, are you proud of your contribution to literature and would have without recompense?
I care not, but you seem agitated!!!!!!
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Oct 8, 2015 18:52:29 GMT 7
Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 18:52:29 GMT 7
I wish I was a woman making my full time living from writing. The Arrow however is a tight one, won't pay me.
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Oct 8, 2015 18:59:02 GMT 7
Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 18:59:02 GMT 7
Simple answer, are you proud of your contribution to literature and would have without recompense? I care not, but you seem agitated!!!!!! I'm proud of the money that pours into my bank account every month. I love it. Thanks for asking.
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Oct 8, 2015 19:02:13 GMT 7
Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 19:02:13 GMT 7
I wish I was a woman making my full time living from writing. The Arrow however is a tight one, won't pay me. One of my pals took off well when she started writing, then had a crisis of confidence - and tailed off. Last summer, she took the plunge back in again, and has now released six related novels. I believe her series has now gone over 100,000 downloads. Financially - she's in five figures USD every month. Will it last? I don't know - but while it does she can live her dream of traveling and living on her writing income. I'm also proud to say, that unlike Jane Austen - she is allowed to vote.
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Oct 8, 2015 19:20:01 GMT 7
Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 19:20:01 GMT 7
So the question begs blether and anyone else, how do you start out? What incentivises you to do it and take the plunge? Curious.
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Oct 8, 2015 20:11:02 GMT 7
Post by buhi on Oct 8, 2015 20:11:02 GMT 7
So the question begs blether and anyone else, how do you start out? What incentivises you to do it and take the plunge? Curious.
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Oct 8, 2015 20:13:39 GMT 7
Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 20:13:39 GMT 7
Never money. Vulgar.
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Oct 8, 2015 20:43:37 GMT 7
Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 20:43:37 GMT 7
Buhi is trying to troll me, It's like being battered by a butterfly.
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