AyG
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Post by AyG on Oct 28, 2015 14:46:39 GMT 7
I know that Americans have a very distorted view of the world. They believe in "American exceptionalism (sic)" and at the drop of a hat are inclined to chant "USA Number 1", despite all the evidence to the contrary in virtually every field. I blame all that flag saluting at school for addling their brains. However, when I read this article with comments from Jack Bogle, the founder of Vanguard, I am left wondering whether (a) whether he was really drunk or high when he gave the interview or (b) he's an utter moron. Some quotes: "There's No Point Investing Outside of the US""I don't do international. And emerging markets is a little separate part of so-called 'international.' We're wonderful in America – we call non-U.S. funds international. Where's the U.S.?""What... is the possibility that [UK, Japan, France] are going to outpace the U.S. in terms of investment return in the next 10 years? I just don't think it's possible.""we know that we have the most innovative economy, the most productive economy, the most technologically advanced economy, the most diverse economy in the world"More of this sort of spheroid nonsense at: www.morningstar.co.uk/uk/news/143620/bogle-theres-no-point-investing-outside-of-the-us.aspx
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Post by rgs2001uk on Oct 28, 2015 15:06:08 GMT 7
History is being re written as we watch.
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Post by Fletchsmile on Oct 28, 2015 15:14:05 GMT 7
Looks as though he's going senile. Could also be that he's pitching his rhetoric and investments he sells at the large segment of the uneducated US public. Haven't watched the VDO but does he comment on the lost decade from 31 Dec 1999 throughout the noughties where the US markets went nowhere? Dow, S&P and Nasdaq were all lower on 31 December 2009 compared to 31 December 1999. Nasdaq in particular went from 4,000+ down to 2,200+ and pays very little in the way of dividends. He's also the guy who pushes low cost index trackers to boot so having all your money in US indices would have been a nightmare. OK so US has had a good few years recently what about the bad times like the last decade. Is he seriously saying no need to diversify? I did very well in EMs like Thailand last decade, but no way would I have gone completely all in, and I kept some albeit small exposure to US, as well as bigger exposures to other developed markets, frontier markets etc. Anyone with half a functioning brain knows markets go in cycles.
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cmk
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Post by cmk on Oct 28, 2015 16:10:34 GMT 7
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Post by realisedurgency on Oct 28, 2015 17:05:51 GMT 7
I do like the guy, and was a little surprised by this. Up until very recently(a year ago or so) Vanguard's emerging market fund was beating the most widely held US index, VFINX over a 15 year period. One of the worst performing Vanguard funds has been the developed market fund which holds mostly UK, French and Japanese stocks, hence his dislike for those. Vanguard fund comparison tool: personal.vanguard.com/us/faces/JSP/Funds/Compare/CompareEntryContent.jsp
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