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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 12:25:04 GMT 7
if it doesn't come bursting out of you
in spite of everything,
don't do it.
unless it comes unasked out of your
heart and your mind and your mouth
and your gut,
don't do it.
if you have to sit for hours
staring at your computer screen
or hunched over your
typewriter
searching for words,
don't do it.
if you're doing it for money or
fame,
don't do it.
if you're doing it because you want
women in your bed,
don't do it.
if you have to sit there and
rewrite it again and again,
don't do it.
if it's hard work just thinking about doing it,
don't do it.
if you're trying to write like somebody
else,
forget about it.
if you have to wait for it to roar out of
you,
then wait patiently.
if it never does roar out of you,
do something else.
if you first have to read it to your wife
or your girlfriend or your boyfriend
or your parents or to anybody at all,
you're not ready.
don't be like so many writers,
don't be like so many thousands of
people who call themselves writers,
don't be dull and boring and
pretentious, don't be consumed with self-
love.
the libraries of the world have
yawned themselves to
sleep
over your kind.
don't add to that.
don't do it.
unless it comes out of
your soul like a rocket,
unless being still would
drive you to madness or
suicide or murder,
don't do it.
unless the sun inside you is
burning your gut,
don't do it.
when it is truly time,
and if you have been chosen,
it will do it by
itself and it will keep on doing it
until you die or it dies in you.
there is no other way.
and there never was.
Charles Bukowski
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 12:36:57 GMT 7
Yes - perfect.
As a rule of thumb, the writer groups I'm in split into two camps.
Those of us that know our limitations. ( The majority ).
And those that think every word they write is worthy of a Pulitzer prize.
You tend to find the big earners in the first group, and the basket cases on the second.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 12:43:10 GMT 7
I'm a big Bukowski fan.
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Post by rgs2001uk on Dec 1, 2015 18:56:42 GMT 7
I find it easier to drink beer and talk shyt, usually has them in stitches as I recount my drunken antics.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 18:58:05 GMT 7
I find it easier to drink beer and talk shyt, usually has them in stitches as I recount my drunken antics. Same same, but vodka and cock sucking cowboys
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 21:54:25 GMT 7
I find it easier to drink beer and talk shyt, usually has them in stitches as I recount my drunken antics. post op ladyboys with cucumbers and farmers spring to mind. Buk was in a 'class' of his own. Blood of the Gods 'The ultimate glory is to get drunk and drunker,' Bukowski wrote and he wasn’t terribly particular how he attained that greater glory. His broad tastes were revealed in his ode to his IBM Selectric typewriter into which, over the years, he’d spilled 'beer, wine, whiskey, vodka, ale' and cigar ash. Bukowski wasn’t the least bit prejudiced — all were welcome, so long as they were cheap. Whenever Buk managed to claw a paycheck from the Man, he’d stock up, laying in jugs of cheap wine which he positioned in a semi-circle around his bed as totems against the cruel world lurking outside. “So I stayed in bed and drank,” he wrote. “When you drank the world was still out there, but for the moment it didn’t have you by the throat.” In the bars he leaned to cheap drafts and well liquor, for as he wisely noted, 'Liquor is like a symphony . . . you don’t use it as a downer, you use it to leap up into the sky when you have pain.' Like many drunks, his taste in booze shifted with his age and tax bracket. He drank Schlitz and rotgut when he was poor and undiscovered then traded up to good German wine, quality whiskey and the occasional Heineken when fat royalty checks finally found his mailbox. “The blood of the gods,” he said of wine. “You can drink a lot of it and stay relatively sane. I used to drink an awful lot of beer. But wine is the best for creation. You can write three or four hours.” Drinking beer “was like breathing,” a man without wine was a “bird without wings,” and whiskey, well, whiskey made him misanthropic. Largely a solitary drinker, Buk abhorred the party circuit, saying, “My theory is if you mix enough people together you don’t get soup or salad, you get shit. That’s the sign of a good whiskey drinker anyway, drinking it by yourself shows a proper reverence for it.” True Story: Diagnosed with a bleeding ulcer, Bukowski was told by doctors he would die if he took another drink. The news shook Buk so badly he ducked into the nearest bar and sank a couple beers to steady his nerves. He managed not to die (while drinking prodigiously) for another 40 years.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 22:01:17 GMT 7
^^ Reminds me of a pal that was told to stop drinking a bottle of vodka per day or die.
So he quit the vodka, and started drinking 20 pints of Guinness per day.
He died.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 22:06:36 GMT 7
Death by alcohol poisoning, what a way to go
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 22:20:57 GMT 7
Death by alcohol poisoning, what a way to go I know so many guys that have gone that way I've forgotten all their names. And the truth is, you can see it coming a mile off.
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Post by buhi on Dec 6, 2015 10:01:49 GMT 7
www.bbc.com/culture/story/20151201-philip-larkin-englands-most-miserable-geniusI have always "enjoyed" reading Larkin. A strange person. His father a true fascist ,attended the Nuremburg rallies. Larkin himself always very right wing, but of a different ilk. At his best, the very tight simplicity of his verse, childlike,is appealing to me. My oft quoted Larkin poem : “Begin afresh, afresh, afresh.” But in a letter he called the poem ”very corny”, and after the workbook draft he added the comment: “bloody awful tripe”.
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Post by geronimo on Dec 6, 2015 10:47:12 GMT 7
Oh so true!
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Post by buhi on Dec 7, 2015 13:29:12 GMT 7
For all our Mango nomads (Pikeys).
Places, Loved Ones Philip Larkin (1954)
No, I have never found The place where I could say This is my proper ground, Here I shall stay; Nor met that special one Who has an instant claim On everything I own Down to my name;
To find such seems to prove You want no choice in where To build, or whom to love; You ask them to bear You off irrevocably, So that it's not your fault Should the town turn dreary, The girl a dolt.
Yet, having missed them, you're Bound, none the less, to act As if what you settled for Mashed you, in fact; And wiser to keep away From thinking you still might trace Uncalled-for to this day Your person, your place.
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Post by buhi on Dec 7, 2015 13:50:29 GMT 7
Digitally roving , researching I came across this poem. I had read it before, long ago. In fact I have not read Larkin in depth for over three decades.
Strange my own recent "Bloody awful tripe", is similar, quite unintentionally.
The obvious came to mind,smoking a cigarette on the balcony; the connection between all us mangos.
Nomads.
I think of my family in England; they might have moved houses, even changed spouses, most have not, and their sameness lives.Even my best friend (only friend) in England has stayed rooted. I discussed this with him, by e mail of course, we have not met for over twenty years.
"Blighty is best,".
"How do you know?".I replied.
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