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Post by buhi on Dec 14, 2015 7:31:27 GMT 7
"Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God. 9"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. 10"Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.…
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Post by buhi on Dec 14, 2015 7:40:21 GMT 7
The Poor Law Extension Act of 1847 was instituted to deny aid to tenant farmers with over a quarter acre of land. This Act promoted emigration, increased land clearance, and disintegrated the structure of rural society, which were beneficial to British landowners, who sought profit, power, and larger plots of land. According to the Poor Laws, landlords were bound to support peasants sent to the workhouse, which cost $12 pounds a year. Instead, some landlords sent peasants to Canada on "coffin ships", which cost $6 pounds. Coffin ships were "wet, leaky holds" of timber ships returning to North America that were "crammed in with as many as 900 [people], with barely room to stand." Approximately half of the people died during the voyage and the other half arrived in North America unable to disembark, without assistance, due to sickness and starvation. Rohingya/Syrian exodus. Let's be contemporary! Read more: bigmango.boards.net/thread/3282/trump-conspiracy?page=3#ixzz3uFcqNUHK
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Post by buhi on Dec 14, 2015 8:13:28 GMT 7
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Post by cmk on Dec 14, 2015 8:14:59 GMT 7
The Poor Law Extension Act of 1847 was instituted to deny aid to tenant farmers with over a quarter acre of land. This Act promoted emigration, increased land clearance, and disintegrated the structure of rural society, which were beneficial to British landowners, who sought profit, power, and larger plots of land. According to the Poor Laws, landlords were bound to support peasants sent to the workhouse, which cost $12 pounds a year. Instead, some landlords sent peasants to Canada on "coffin ships", which cost $6 pounds. Coffin ships were "wet, leaky holds" of timber ships returning to North America that were "crammed in with as many as 900 [people], with barely room to stand." Approximately half of the people died during the voyage and the other half arrived in North America unable to disembark, without assistance, due to sickness and starvation. Rohingya/Syrian exodus. Let's be contemporary! Read more: bigmango.boards.net/thread/3282/trump-conspiracy?page=3#ixzz3uFcqNUHKI didn't bring up the IRA.
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Post by cmk on Dec 14, 2015 8:26:42 GMT 7
To say it is not an Irish problem because it also exists in other places makes no sense. It is an Irish problem as well as a problem for anywhere there is/was British colonization. Quick answer - get rid of the British. Worked for America - no more taxation without representation. Brings up an interesting question. Do the American, or Irish or British people have a right by voting (majority rule) to decide who can stay in their country? Or is it the biggest and most powerful country (next door) that is allowed to tell the smaller country who gets to stay in their country? Can America take part of Canada because it can? Can Americans vote to keep out people if it considers them undesirable or does Piers Morgan (Stephen O'Meara) and Barrack Hussein Obama get to decide?
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Post by buhi on Dec 14, 2015 9:01:54 GMT 7
I doubt you have read the article I posted.
I referenced boat people as being a contemporary example of forced eviction,. I am not a nationalist, I do not really have a "country". Sure I was born in England of Anglo Scottish parents, but now I "reside" in Thailand.
To take a broad swipe at universal problems by playing a Nationalist card is a weak and to my mind a selfish approach to the human condition.
"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." Samuel Johnson.
Do read between the lines and not jump to conclusions.
Will you provide , or America, the boats to transport the displaced American Muslims to who knows where?
Will they in turn (have they?) become "haters" of America?
Or is it just Irish history we are discussing?
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Post by cmk on Dec 14, 2015 11:30:18 GMT 7
I doubt you have read the article I posted. I referenced boat people as being a contemporary example of forced eviction,. I am not a nationalist, I do not really have a "country". Sure I was born in England of Anglo Scottish parents, but now I "reside" in Thailand. To take a broad swipe at universal problems by playing a Nationalist card is a weak and to my mind a selfish approach to the human condition. "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." Samuel Johnson. Do read between the lines and not jump to conclusions. Will you provide , or America, the boats to transport the displaced American Muslims to who knows where? Will they in turn (have they?) become "haters" of America? Or is it just Irish history we are discussing? The blether brought up American support of the IRA as an example of contemporary hypocrisy. I was explaining why Americans gave money to the IRA. We were discussing Trump when the blether interjected Irish history into the conversation by writing, "Follow the money - Just the same way as way too many Americans revelled in the IRA carnage on.the streets of England. Absurd that the "Home of the Free," financed terrorism on the streets of an ally. We followed that money back to the Irish pubs of New York - the NORAID rallies in Boston. And I'll tell you this, cmk, many Brits had a great sense of schadenfreude when terror visited the Boston Marathon. It's time our American friends woke up. Once again they are funding terrorism - only this time they are unlikely to give protection To the murdering scum, the same way they did To the IRA." Then, you took the Irish problem and decided to make it a universal discussion. OK by me. To check your nationality I'd suggest looking at your passport. If it says Nationalist then you are a Nationalist if it says United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland then you are British. During WW2 America moved all the Japanese away from the coastal areas to internment camps much like any country does in a war. Thailand interned Brits and Americans in much the same way during WW 2. Perhaps that's what Trump wants. I think he is saying Islam is not a religion it is a political system and should not be guaranteed the same freedoms as America guarantees other religions. Is Islam committed to the overthrow of Western democracies?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 14:35:36 GMT 7
Hold on hold on - give me a chance- real life interfered ffs. And calamities upon calamities - three of my laptops went down. Right - cmk, in Scottish parlance - you're getting it. Just give me a few minutes to think up some smart answers.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 14:52:01 GMT 7
Only the most self-deluded of Roman Catholics believe there is a direct link between the current Pope and the so-called First Bishop of Rome.
It was a political power play by a failing Empire that jumped on the bandwagon of Christianity.
The first major schism(s) in the Christian faith came as the orthodox church(es) refused to accept the role or notion of their being only one primary bishop.
The same orthodox church that was on the go long before the Romans took an interest.
And all this a thousand years or more before The Reformation.
In fact, at that time there were three Popes - with the Irish themselves petitioning the King of Wessex to assist them in creating a fourth Papacy on their isle.
Their petition failed as the Pope of Rome sent an emissary saying that it would be better to support him as he was of the descendant line of the Pope that claimed his divine intervention struck down Hannibal.
I reality it was a sackful of drink, a serious hard on, and a virgin bride that caused the nosebleed that killed Hannibal - but hey - didn't stop the Johnny-come-lately Romans from claiming the credit.
The most expensive nosebleed in history - worse even than the most expensive BJ in history - the one that struck down Clinton's presidency and led to the Iraq war.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 15:00:31 GMT 7
By the way - my mother is a practicing Catholic of Irish descent. She admits - to her personal shame - that she was not allowed to question the teachings. She was astonished when she found out the root of Catholocism was a lie - that being that tbe Pope was founded on St Peter being the first Bishop of Rome. St Peter never stepped foot in the city - and would have recognized the Romans as persecutors of Christians. Irish Catholocism relied on keeping the population ignorant - that's why the country missed out on the Enlightenment and true benefits of the Industrial Revolution. The church was too busy terifying the populace with the threat of eternal damnation - and they damned millions of good people to aivjbg hell and early death. Irish Catholocism truly is the Guilty Religion. Thank God there's a Jesuit Pope just now - only the Jesuits have a chance of reconnecting the worldwide Catholic population to the true faith. That's why the Jesuits were also persecutedat one time - they threatened to disrupt the political and finan ial power of the church by actually being - Chritin. Catholicism is the reason Scotland missed the Enlightenment and the Industrial revolution? Or Ireland? Or The USA? Don't believe all those lies the Protestants tell about Peter. Not only was he the Bishop of Rome he was also martyred in Rome when he was crucified upside down. Tell your mom she was right because your myths are no more valid than her myths. And anyway is Peter going to Rome the reason the Brits starved the Irish? Statements without proof - and not a singular biblical reference to support that claim - also notable that the RC church claimed to have exhumed the bones of Peter and to this day will not allow independent testing or verification. If they had the bones of Peter it would have stopped this argument in it's tracks - The best lies are always the biggest one's.
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Post by cmk on Dec 14, 2015 16:30:50 GMT 7
Catholicism is the reason Scotland missed the Enlightenment and the Industrial revolution? Or Ireland? Or The USA? Don't believe all those lies the Protestants tell about Peter. Not only was he the Bishop of Rome he was also martyred in Rome when he was crucified upside down. Tell your mom she was right because your myths are no more valid than her myths. And anyway is Peter going to Rome the reason the Brits starved the Irish? Statements without proof - and not a singular biblical reference to support that claim - also notable that the RC church claimed to have exhumed the bones of Peter and to this day will not allow independent testing or verification. If they had the bones of Peter it would have stopped this argument in it's tracks - The best lies are always the biggest one's. "The Vatican has publicly unveiled bone fragments purportedly belonging to Saint Peter, reviving the scientific debate and tantalising mystery over whether the relics found in a shoe box truly belong to the first pope. The nine pieces of bone sat nestled like rings in a jewel box inside a bronze display case on the side of the altar during a mass commemorating the end of the Vatican's year-long celebration of the Christian faith. It was the first time they had ever been exhibited in public. Pope Francis prayed before the fragments at the start of Sunday's service and clutched the case in his arms for several minutes after his homily. No pope has ever definitively declared the fragments to belong to the apostle Peter." www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/24/vatican-st-peters-bones-display-pope-francisSo now that your argument has been completely undone (No pope has ever definitively declared the fragments to belong to the apostle Peter) why not admit you don't know anything about Catholicism and stick to current events. Irish Americans don't really feel the fight for Irish independence is the same as radical Islam because of the Potato Famine and the Black and Tans. It is what it is. I think it is terrorism but my mother never did and no amount of reason or recitation of fact would change her mind. She knew families that had starved and had children murdered. Attachment Deleted
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 16:41:08 GMT 7
Statements without proof - and not a singular biblical reference to support that claim - also notable that the RC church claimed to have exhumed the bones of Peter and to this day will not allow independent testing or verification. If they had the bones of Peter it would have stopped this argument in it's tracks - The best lies are always the biggest one's. "The Vatican has publicly unveiled bone fragments purportedly belonging to Saint Peter, reviving the scientific debate and tantalising mystery over whether the relics found in a shoe box truly belong to the first pope. The nine pieces of bone sat nestled like rings in a jewel box inside a bronze display case on the side of the altar during a mass commemorating the end of the Vatican's year-long celebration of the Christian faith. It was the first time they had ever been exhibited in public. Pope Francis prayed before the fragments at the start of Sunday's service and clutched the case in his arms for several minutes after his homily. No pope has ever definitively declared the fragments to belong to the apostle Peter." www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/24/vatican-st-peters-bones-display-pope-francisSo now that your argument has been completely undone (No pope has ever definitively declared the fragments to belong to the apostle Peter) why not admit you don't know anything about Catholicism and stick to current events. Irish Americans don't really feel the fight for Irish independence is the same as radical Islam because of the Potato Famine and the Black and Tans. It is what it is. I think it is terrorism but my mother never did and no amount of reason or recitation of fact would change her mind. She knew families that had starved and had children murdered. Dear cmk - I know that your answer nutshelled the BS behind the RC church. The Pope was holding a wee box of chicken bones was he, pretending they were St Peters? Or was it the Papal version of the Clintonesque "Don't ask, don't tell," policy? The entire church is a sham built upon idolatry, superstition, and made up things by men in dresses pretending they are more worthy than other members of the human race. "The meek shall inherit the earth," That'll exclude 99% of the priesthood then.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 16:42:23 GMT 7
Re your Irish American/black and tans drivel - explain to me why a high proportion of the black and tans were Irish and of Irish Roman Catholic stock?
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Post by cmk on Dec 14, 2015 17:25:52 GMT 7
Re your Irish American/black and tans drivel - explain to me why a high proportion of the black and tans were Irish and of Irish Roman Catholic stock? Blether you are writing like I brought it up. I didn't you did. You said America was bad because they supported the IRA. I was trying to explain to you how Americans felt about the IRA/THE IRISH WAR of Independence. The Black and Tans’ most notorious member must have been 19-year-old Thomas D. Huckerby from Somerset, England. Over a six-month period, he was responsible for the murder of five men – all of whom were unarmed and none of which were involved in the IRA. On Nov. 26, 1920, IRA members Pat and Harry Loughnane were arrested at their family farm by Auxiliary forces. The brothers’ bodies were found burned and mutilated nine days later. They had been tied to the back of a lorry and forced to run behind it until they collapsed and were dragged along the ground. Both of Pat’s wrists, legs and arms were broken. He had a fractured skull and wounds carved into his chest. Harry’s right arm was broken and almost severed from his body, he was also missing two fingers. When he was found all that remained of his face were his chin and lips. Authorities claimed that the brothers had escaped from custody and that the Auxies were not involved in their deaths. That same month, a priest and a pregnant woman were also killed by British forces. militaryhistorynow.com/2015/11/09/the-black-and-tan-war-nine-fascinating-facts-about-the-bloody-fight-for-irish-independence/The Black and Tans were not subject to strict discipline in their first months and as a result, their deaths at the hands of the IRA in 1920 were often repaid with arbitrary reprisals against the civilian population. In the summer of 1920, the Black and Tans burned and sacked many small towns and villages in Ireland, beginning with Tuam in County Galway in July 1920 and also including Trim, Balbriggan, Knockcroghery, Thurles and Templemore amongst many others. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_and_TansYou brought up the IRA and quid pro quo (I speak Latin - learned in Catholic school) I brought up the other side the Black and Tans to keep the discussion fair and balanced. The only thing I know about recruitment was most of them were out of work British WWI soldiers and recruited in England. Of the 9,762 Black and Tans recruited a disproportionate number were from London and the counties immediately around London. (See Fig II) The reason for this was that the original recruiting was only carried out in London and it was easier for men in that area to get to the recruiting office and join up. It was not until July 1920 that recruiting began in other centres and eventually recruitment was carried out from regular British Army Recruitment offices. One striking feature about the recruitment of Black and Tans, which seems to have been missed by many academic commentators is the disproportionate number of recruits from Aberdeen. By any measure the total of 393 recruits is totally out of proportion to any where else. Another striking feature of Black and Tan recruitment was that only 117 men were recruited in the whole of Wales or 30% of the number recruited in Aberdeen. 1 London 2146 2 Lancashire 591 3 Ireland 299 4 Kent 331 5 Aberdeen 264 6 Lanarkshire 275 7 Yorkshire 262 8 Middlesex 212 9 Surrey 210 10 Sussex 145 Temps not listed. www.warofindependence.info/?page_id=505
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Post by cmk on Dec 14, 2015 17:34:05 GMT 7
"The Vatican has publicly unveiled bone fragments purportedly belonging to Saint Peter, reviving the scientific debate and tantalising mystery over whether the relics found in a shoe box truly belong to the first pope. The nine pieces of bone sat nestled like rings in a jewel box inside a bronze display case on the side of the altar during a mass commemorating the end of the Vatican's year-long celebration of the Christian faith. It was the first time they had ever been exhibited in public. Pope Francis prayed before the fragments at the start of Sunday's service and clutched the case in his arms for several minutes after his homily. No pope has ever definitively declared the fragments to belong to the apostle Peter." www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/24/vatican-st-peters-bones-display-pope-francisSo now that your argument has been completely undone (No pope has ever definitively declared the fragments to belong to the apostle Peter) why not admit you don't know anything about Catholicism and stick to current events. Irish Americans don't really feel the fight for Irish independence is the same as radical Islam because of the Potato Famine and the Black and Tans. It is what it is. I think it is terrorism but my mother never did and no amount of reason or recitation of fact would change her mind. She knew families that had starved and had children murdered. Dear cmk - I know that your answer nutshelled the BS behind the RC church. The Pope was holding a wee box of chicken bones was he, pretending they were St Peters? Or was it the Papal version of the Clintonesque "Don't ask, don't tell," policy? The entire church is a sham built upon idolatry, superstition, and made up things by men in dresses pretending they are more worthy than other members of the human race. "The meek shall inherit the earth," That'll exclude 99% of the priesthood then. I'd agree with that. The Irish have three problems. 1. The church and 2. The British. 3. Whiskey.
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