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Post by AyG on Feb 5, 2016 8:26:24 GMT 7
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Post by Soutpeel on Feb 5, 2016 9:52:37 GMT 7
Thailand does have lions and you can handle the cubs.. I think this piece is a little one sided in the sense is the "tourism attraction" cruel in its self ? or is it the way the animals are actually treated ? riding an elephant is not cruel per se, if it was then horse riding must be considered cruel as well...the cruelty comes in if the handlers owners are cruel to the animals Crocodile farms shouldn't even been on a wildlife tourism list, as the farms are exactly that...farms...the croc's are being farmed for their meat and hides...if croc farms are considered cruel, then chicken, Duck or Pig farms should be considered cruel tourist attractions as well. The lion walking, if the piece is true and they are taking the cubs away so young, then yes its very wrong, I know a guy who has a lion park just outside of JHB, which has 6 prides of lions you can see on the property and yes you can handle the cubs and even walk them, in some cases the cubs are taken out the pride because full grown females or the males try and kill the cubs, the guy who owns the place is passionate about "his lions" and would never do anything which would cause them harm or subject them to cruelty...yes he has paying tourists, yes he lets the tourist handle and even walk the cubs, but they are not a month old... So yes there maybe some validity in the piece, but its also a little miss leading as well |
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Post by me on Feb 5, 2016 10:26:34 GMT 7
Thailand does have lions and you can handle the cubs.. I think this piece is a little one sided in the sense is the "tourism attraction" cruel in its self ? or is it the way the animals are actually treated ? riding an elephant is not cruel per se, if it was then horse riding must be considered cruel as well...the cruelty comes in if the handlers owners are cruel to the animals Crocodile farms shouldn't even been on a wildlife tourism list, as the farms are exactly that...farms...the croc's are being farmed for their meat and hides...if croc farms are considered cruel, then chicken, Duck or Pig farms should be considered cruel tourist attractions as well. The lion walking, if the piece is true and they are taking the cubs away so young, then yes its very wrong, I know a guy who has a lion park just outside of JHB, which has 6 prides of lions you can see on the property and yes you can handle the cubs and even walk them, in some cases the cubs are taken out the pride because full grown females or the males try and kill the cubs, the guy who owns the place is passionate about "his lions" and would never do anything which would cause them harm or subject them to cruelty...yes he has paying tourists, yes he lets the tourist handle and even walk the cubs, but they are not a month old... So yes there maybe some validity in the piece, but its also a little miss leading as well I think there is a lot of truth in what you do say. I am concerned though at the conditions in which they are obtained, trained and kept. I am sure many woould not meet my standard here or elsewhere.. Farms too. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 12:41:05 GMT 7
Thailand does have lions and you can handle the cubs.. I think this piece is a little one sided in the sense is the "tourism attraction" cruel in its self ? or is it the way the animals are actually treated ? riding an elephant is not cruel per se, if it was then horse riding must be considered cruel as well...the cruelty comes in if the handlers owners are cruel to the animals Crocodile farms shouldn't even been on a wildlife tourism list, as the farms are exactly that...farms...the croc's are being farmed for their meat and hides...if croc farms are considered cruel, then chicken, Duck or Pig farms should be considered cruel tourist attractions as well. The lion walking, if the piece is true and they are taking the cubs away so young, then yes its very wrong, I know a guy who has a lion park just outside of JHB, which has 6 prides of lions you can see on the property and yes you can handle the cubs and even walk them, in some cases the cubs are taken out the pride because full grown females or the males try and kill the cubs, the guy who owns the place is passionate about "his lions" and would never do anything which would cause them harm or subject them to cruelty...yes he has paying tourists, yes he lets the tourist handle and even walk the cubs, but they are not a month old... So yes there maybe some validity in the piece, but its also a little miss leading as well Actually Soutie, the crocodile Farm at Samutprakarn does have a mini zoo as part of the attraction and the conditions that the animals are kept in are absolutely atrocious. Baby elephants chained to a post with about 1 meter of chain, apes screaming in their cages due to festering wounds (which the Thais think is funny?), Hippos in an enclosure that had a pool with only about 1 inch of putrid water, tigers drugged up for photo opportunities, etc. I was so disgusted with the conditions that animals were kept in that I refuse to go back there. Mind you, I refuse to go to any zoo in Thailand now. |
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Post by Soutpeel on Feb 5, 2016 13:37:46 GMT 7
Thailand does have lions and you can handle the cubs.. I think this piece is a little one sided in the sense is the "tourism attraction" cruel in its self ? or is it the way the animals are actually treated ? riding an elephant is not cruel per se, if it was then horse riding must be considered cruel as well...the cruelty comes in if the handlers owners are cruel to the animals Crocodile farms shouldn't even been on a wildlife tourism list, as the farms are exactly that...farms...the croc's are being farmed for their meat and hides...if croc farms are considered cruel, then chicken, Duck or Pig farms should be considered cruel tourist attractions as well. The lion walking, if the piece is true and they are taking the cubs away so young, then yes its very wrong, I know a guy who has a lion park just outside of JHB, which has 6 prides of lions you can see on the property and yes you can handle the cubs and even walk them, in some cases the cubs are taken out the pride because full grown females or the males try and kill the cubs, the guy who owns the place is passionate about "his lions" and would never do anything which would cause them harm or subject them to cruelty...yes he has paying tourists, yes he lets the tourist handle and even walk the cubs, but they are not a month old... So yes there maybe some validity in the piece, but its also a little miss leading as well Actually Soutie, the crocodile Farm at Samutprakarn does have a mini zoo as part of the attraction and the conditions that the animals are kept in are absolutely atrocious. Baby elephants chained to a post with about 1 meter of chain, apes screaming in their cages due to festering wounds (which the Thais think is funny?), Hippos in an enclosure that had a pool with only about 1 inch of putrid water, tigers drugged up for photo opportunities, etc. I was so disgusted with the conditions that animals were kept in that I refuse to go back there. Mind you, I refuse to go to any zoo in Thailand now. Fair enough Tony...to be honest I have never been to croc farm in Samut prakan ...Done the Tiger Temple in Kanchanaburi and was not impressed, the tigers getting their photos taken with the punters look drugged, seem far too docile to me, glazed eyes... and the other place is the "Safari park" just outside Kanchanburi town, and must admit was rather impressed with the way they had things set up in the park you drive through all the animals roam and appear well looked after, but the "elephant show" and "croc show" they have going on in the main complex was not for me...I don't really like watching stuff like than |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 15:46:00 GMT 7
The tigers aren't drugged is the sign at the CM tiger farm. In small writing at the bottom, barely visible it says have medicine little bit.
Best thing about that place was the camel out the front. You'd barely notice he was there but there he is in his pen, full sun all day. He loves a beer though. Poor thing must be hating life.
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Post by Soutpeel on Feb 5, 2016 16:21:18 GMT 7
The tigers aren't drugged is the sign at the CM tiger farm. In small writing at the bottom, barely visible it says have medicine little bit. Best thing about that place was the camel out the front. You'd barely notice he was there but there he is in his pen, full sun all day. He loves a beer though. Poor thing must be hating life. Why did your description of Colin the camel remind me of a typical TV visa poster.  The few times I have seen tigers in Thailand on "display" you cant help thinking they must be giving them something to keep them "calm" seen a Thai kid getting his piccy taken and the little bar steward was trying to stick his finger in the tigers nose now I am no George Adamson, but one suspects, if someone tries to stick their finger in a tigers nose which is not medicated, said tiger would get rather miffed and eat you... i know when a toddler has tried to stick their finger in my nose, I get the urge to drop kick the little blighter and I am sure a drugless tiger would feel the same way... |
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