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Post by cmk on Feb 19, 2016 11:31:58 GMT 7
Wasn't he a gay guy from Africa? For months, many of my colleagues and I have campaigned for our university, Oxford, to remove its statue glorifying the racist mass murderer of Africans Cecil Rhodes. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/19/rhodes-fall-oxford-university-inclusivity-black-studentsIf that's who you want to emulate - go for it. Frankly I think it should read. "We as Englishmen are very sorry for the harm we have caused humanity and are deeply sorry." Depends on your point of view. The colonial apologists or the colonies that were pillaged. The folks that starved in India and Ireland or the well fed lads in the castles in Britain. I'm related to the Queen of England but I don't normally mention it it's on my mothers side of the family - granny thought it was a big deal but she was the only one. I never thought much of people who rode the coattails of their family and I respect those men who have the balls to make it on their own without relying on family connections and a wink and a nod type of promotions. That's why I find nationality completely irrelevant in my personal life and in my choice of friends. People who take pride in a nationality or demean a nationality I think are a ways down on the evolutionary scale. When the world became one place as opposed to a bunch of nations I suppose is open for debate but most of the problems today can be laid at the door step to nationalism and religion. Why would you need to mention that he was gay? Is that a slur on his character. Are you Homophobic CMK? the 12-year-old Swiss lad Lucien Trueb "who engaged Monty's affectionate attention". The question Hamilton is really posing now is not whether Field Marshal Lord Montgomery of Alamein was gay, but whether he was a repressed paedophile. www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/4260024/The-third-sex-that-sustained-the-Empire.htmlWhat made the 25 year-old Lawrence act inappropriately and move the 14 year-old youth into his home, strip him of his clothing, carve a nude sculpture of him? www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=13&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwje-pfK-oLLAhUJ1hoKHRlBD0wQFghbMAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fillkeepyouposted.typepad.com%2Fill_keep_you_posted%2F2010%2F12%2Fcolonialism-and-homosexuality-6-lawrence-of-arabia-dahoum.html&usg=AFQjCNF8_37BQLbDq9vhkSFJvKdLwK3upgQueen Victoria asked Rhodes if he was gay. I don't see why I can't? It seems many icons of the imperial period liked boys a lot (see above). Was Rhodes gay? Who's who in Gay and Lesbian History. Robert Aldrich, Garry Wotherspoon I find Rhodes quotes to be self evident as the the personality of the man, "I contend that we are the first race in the world, and that the more of the world we inhabit the better it is for the human race" Now be honest who and what does that remind you of? I don't think I'm homophobic. I like ladyboys a lot more than I like gay guys I don't think that makes me homophobic.
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Post by Soutpeel on Feb 19, 2016 11:34:03 GMT 7
What's this thread about again originally? And back to topic.....what you are going to see in Europe is a re-emergence of facism, in some countries its already becoming evident in organisations such as the "sons of Odin"....while the bleeding heart PC liberals p**s about, these organisation and similar are going to garner more and more support among the "natives" if the goverments standby and do nothing as regards the refugees and the islamification of Europe.
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Post by siampolee on Feb 19, 2016 11:43:34 GMT 7
What a wonderful quote above you managed to cut and paste in such an ambiguous manner that those reading it would presume that you were at Oxford and it is your written passage.
Have you actually read that which you post? Somehow I doubt it primate.
Now what nation and its religion along with it neo colonialism campaigns actions do you rabidly support ?
So we can but presume from your posts you are a plastic false front rabid homophobic, a person filled with anti English emotions and perhaps jealous of the presumed but not proven sexual preferences of Cecil Rhodes.
In short you are really a live in the closet case concerning both sexual and racist ideals .Why not come out into the open give up the self denial you are what you are, come on out don't be shy. B.B.Q will love you
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Post by cmk on Feb 19, 2016 11:48:14 GMT 7
Wasn't he a gay guy from Africa? For months, many of my colleagues and I have campaigned for our university, Oxford, to remove its statue glorifying the racist mass murderer of Africans Cecil Rhodes. (1) There is no significant evidence that he was gay, apart from the fact that he never married and he went to Oxford. (2) He wasn't from Africa, he was English. (3) So, a few negroes died whilst violently opposing the development of the country under the benevolent rule of the British Empire. So what? Would it have been better if southern Africa had been left a lawless, barbaric country populated by savages? But then, they're heading back that way again after then end of white rule. A few? The Jameson Raid? Was Rhodes involved? Did it start the Boer war? How many people died? I'm sure you know more about it than I. My point was a response to saimpolee who was quoting Rhodes as a a hero of some kind when I think he was a scoundrel.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 11:52:51 GMT 7
Astounding how any American can talk about the negative aspects of the "British Empire."
Their entire country was founded upon land theft, rape, murder, and mutilation of an indigenous people on a GENOCIDAL scale.
The appalling part of all that is that the genocide accelerated decades after the War of Independence.
American historians can pour over all the historical texts they like, and they will find examples of appalling British abuse - but they'll find nothing, nothing, on the scale of the human catastrophe that their forebearers inflicted on Native Americans.
That's even before we talk about slavery.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 11:54:22 GMT 7
(1) There is no significant evidence that he was gay, apart from the fact that he never married and he went to Oxford. (2) He wasn't from Africa, he was English. (3) So, a few negroes died whilst violently opposing the development of the country under the benevolent rule of the British Empire. So what? Would it have been better if southern Africa had been left a lawless, barbaric country populated by savages? But then, they're heading back that way again after then end of white rule. A few? The Jameson Raid? Was Rhodes involved? Did it start the Boer war? How many people died? I'm sure you know more about it than I. My point was a response to saimpolee who was quoting Rhodes as a a hero of some kind when I think he was a scoundrel. Any more of a scoundrel that Teddy Roosevelt who overturned a legitimate government in the Phillipinnes and unleashed a second American genocide?
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Post by cmk on Feb 19, 2016 11:58:11 GMT 7
What a wonderful quote above you managed to cut and paste in such an ambiguous manner that those reading it would presume that you were at Oxford and it is your written passage. Have you actually read that which you post? Somehow I doubt it primate. Now what nation and its religion along with it neo colonialism campaigns actions do you rabidly support ? So we can but presume from your posts you are a plastic false front rabid homophobic, a person filled with anti English emotions and perhaps jealous of the presumed but not proven sexual preferences of Cecil Rhodes. In short you are really a live in the closet case concerning both sexual and racist ideals .Why not come out into the open give up the self denial you are what you are, come on out don't be shy. B.B.Q will love you I'm not much of a nationalist of any kind. I condemn most of the USA's involvement in the Middle East. Vietnam was very wrong. American Slavery was a terrible wrong. I don't like JT or the Scott but I don't think that makes me homophobic. The best country in the world? Maybe Denmark. Many of the problems with the ME started at the Cairo conference. Colonialism whether French, Portuguese or British I feel was a terrible wrong and should be apologized for. I don't think Cecil Rhodes is a good guy. You mentioned Rhodes - a poor choice. He thought the English were a super race - how silly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 12:01:28 GMT 7
What a wonderful quote above you managed to cut and paste in such an ambiguous manner that those reading it would presume that you were at Oxford and it is your written passage. Have you actually read that which you post? Somehow I doubt it primate. Now what nation and its religion along with it neo colonialism campaigns actions do you rabidly support ? So we can but presume from your posts you are a plastic false front rabid homophobic, a person filled with anti English emotions and perhaps jealous of the presumed but not proven sexual preferences of Cecil Rhodes. In short you are really a live in the closet case concerning both sexual and racist ideals .Why not come out into the open give up the self denial you are what you are, come on out don't be shy. B.B.Q will love you I'm not much of a nationalist of any kind. I condemn most of the USA's involvement in the Middle East. Vietnam was very wrong. American Slavery was a terrible wrong. I don't like JT or the Scott but I don't think that makes me homophobic. The best country in the world? Maybe Denmark. Many of the problems with the ME started at the Cairo conference. Colonialism whether French, Portuguese or British I feel was a terrible wrong and should be apologized for. I don't think Cecil Rhodes is a good guy. You mentioned Rhodes - a poor choice. He thought the English were a super race - how silly. I refer you once again to Teddy Roosevelt - a prime example of American Exceptionalism. And American Exceptionalism lives - appallingly, to this day, it lives.
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Post by cmk on Feb 19, 2016 12:08:21 GMT 7
Astounding how any American can talk about the negative aspects of the "British Empire." Their entire country was founded upon land theft, rape, murder, and mutilation of an indigenous people on a GENOCIDAL scale. The appalling part of all that is that the genocide accelerated decades after the War of Independence. American historians can pour over all the historical texts they like, and they will find examples of appalling British abuse - but they'll find nothing, nothing, on the scale of the human catastrophe that their forebearers inflicted on Native Americans. That's even before we talk about slavery. The British founded the American colonies. The largest genocide took place in South America not under control of the USA. But having said that when did I say any of that was right or good or in the interest of Native Americans? America has said they are sorry and granted large land grants to the native population to govern and they can have casinos and rule as they see fit in many cases. I have never quoted anyone to say how great Americans are. I have never said there was some form of benevolent murder that took place or that the native population was better off after the Americans came. I don't think they were or are. Who brought slaves to the new country? They were wrong. Who bought the slaves? They were wrong. I'm not saying anything opposed to that. So given that or not given that why on earth can't anyone bring up the negative aspects or positive aspects of any Empire? You see? That's my point. It makes no difference who I am. The British Empire did bad stuff. I can point that out. If you disagree good. Point out why you disagree instead of attacking the messenger attack the message.
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Post by siampolee on Feb 19, 2016 12:11:05 GMT 7
So why didn't you cross the border to avoid the draft , being Canadian you had no barriers to face Did you really serve in Vietnam as well as the Thai military as well or are those romantic notions just another fantasy of yours?
You do seem to have difficulty in deciding where you may have been what you may have done, why you did it, your views are constantly changing an indication of a somewhat challenged thought and truth process.
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Post by cmk on Feb 19, 2016 12:11:32 GMT 7
I'm not much of a nationalist of any kind. I condemn most of the USA's involvement in the Middle East. Vietnam was very wrong. American Slavery was a terrible wrong. I don't like JT or the Scott but I don't think that makes me homophobic. The best country in the world? Maybe Denmark. Many of the problems with the ME started at the Cairo conference. Colonialism whether French, Portuguese or British I feel was a terrible wrong and should be apologized for. I don't think Cecil Rhodes is a good guy. You mentioned Rhodes - a poor choice. He thought the English were a super race - how silly. I refer you once again to Teddy Roosevelt - a prime example of American Exceptionalism. And American Exceptionalism lives - appallingly, to this day, it lives. I would agree with that too but does that make the famines in India and Ireland less severe? Am I getting through? I can be an American or Canadian or person from Iceland and the British still tried to starve the Irish and Indians.
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Post by cmk on Feb 19, 2016 12:27:16 GMT 7
So why didn't you cross the border to avoid the draft , being Canadian you had no barriers to face Did you really serve in Vietnam as well as the Thai military as well or are those romantic notions just another fantasy of yours? You do seem to have difficulty in deciding where you may have been what you may have done, why you did it, your views are constantly changing an indication of a somewhat challenged thought and truth process. I did. I lived in Toronto. My company recruited engineers from Britain to work illegally in the USA for Ford. Some of the work we did in Windsor across the river from Detroit and some at the Ford factory in Dearborn. I went back and forth to coordinate the projects. British engineers worked for half of what we had to pay Americans to do the same work. My company was doing well when someone blew the whistle on me or something happened (I was never sure) long and short of it was I got drafted. I could have gone back to Canada. It would have been desertion at that point but you are correct I could have lived full time in Canada no problems I was legal there. Back then a passport was not necessary to go back and forth from Canada and the USA. I, however went to Vietnam to get away from my wife Beverly. She could follow me to Canada or the USA but she never made it to Vietnam or Thailand. Living in Vietnam in 1968 was safer than living with Beverly. Maybe you were different but at 21 I wasn't thinking about politics. Vietnam looked like fun. Guns and sexy women what's not to like.
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Post by cmk on Feb 19, 2016 12:30:41 GMT 7
What's this thread about again originally? And back to topic.....what you are going to see in Europe is a re-emergence of facism, in some countries its already becoming evident in organisations such as the "sons of Odin"....while the bleeding heart PC liberals p**s about, these organisation and similar are going to garner more and more support among the "natives" if the goverments standby and do nothing as regards the refugees and the islamification of Europe. That's why Trump and Cruz are popular in the USA both want to build a wall on the Mexican border. Europe should pay attention. Trump is a loon but is riding a tide of what you referred to happening in Europe.
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Post by me on Feb 19, 2016 12:32:39 GMT 7
So why didn't you cross the border to avoid the draft , being Canadian you had no barriers to face Did you really serve in Vietnam as well as the Thai military as well or are those romantic notions just another fantasy of yours? You do seem to have difficulty in deciding where you may have been what you may have done, why you did it, your views are constantly changing an indication of a somewhat challenged thought and truth process. I did. I lived in Toronto. My company recruited engineers from Britain to work illegally in the USA for Ford. Some of the work we did in Windsor across the river from Detroit and some at the Ford factory in Dearborn. I went back and forth to coordinate the projects. British engineers worked for half of what we had to pay Americans to do the same work. My company was doing well when someone blew the whistle on me or something happened (I was never sure) long and short of it was I got drafted. I could have gone back to Canada. It would have been desertion at that point but you are correct I could have lived full time in Canada no problems I was legal there. Back then a passport was not necessary to go back and forth from Canada and the USA. I, however went to Vietnam to get away from my wife Beverly. She could follow me to Canada or the USA but she never made it to Vietnam or Thailand. Living in Vietnam in 1968 was safer than living with Beverly. He said already he was not a Canadian Citizen...he was adopted by Americans and Canada did not allow citizenship to be retained on adoption overseas.
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Post by me on Feb 19, 2016 12:34:05 GMT 7
What's this thread about again originally? And back to topic.....what you are going to see in Europe is a re-emergence of facism, in some countries its already becoming evident in organisations such as the "sons of Odin"....while the bleeding heart PC liberals p**s about, these organisation and similar are going to garner more and more support among the "natives" if the goverments standby and do nothing as regards the refugees and the islamification of Europe. Have a look at it...governments are almost all facist or what would have been defined as fascist in 1930
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