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Post by AyG on Mar 5, 2016 7:36:14 GMT 7
First the government took 91 octane petrol off the market, forcing drivers to buy gasohol, despite evidence that it harms traditional cars with gummed-up fuel systems, damaged tanks and phase separation. Now they've decided to take away gasohol and force us to buy E20 or E85 by 2018. (For some unexplained reason 95 octane gasohol will survive until 2027.) I'm just left wondering which influential person(s) involved in the production of alcohol is pushing for this. Possibly a well known sugar grower? Source: www.bangkokpost.com/business/news/886640/gasohol-phase-outs-to-drive-biofuel-use |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2016 7:48:25 GMT 7
They care not about tradition, the newer the car the shinier the face
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Post by Soutpeel on Mar 5, 2016 8:20:21 GMT 7
First the government took 91 octane petrol off the market, forcing drivers to buy gasohol, despite evidence that it harms traditional cars with gummed-up fuel systems, damaged tanks and phase separation. Now they've decided to take away gasohol and force us to buy E20 or E85 by 2018. (For some unexplained reason 95 octane gasohol will survive until 2027.) I'm just left wondering which influential person(s) involved in the production of alcohol is pushing for this. Possibly a well known sugar grower? Source: www.bangkokpost.com/business/news/886640/gasohol-phase-outs-to-drive-biofuel-useAnd the evidence to suggest gasohol gums up fuel systems is ?....gasohol is a blend of normal petrol and ethanol, which is the same alcohol one finds in their Jamesons, i think what your stating is an urban legend and stems from when there was lead in petrol...different things completely |
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Post by AyG on Mar 5, 2016 8:29:35 GMT 7
First the government took 91 octane petrol off the market, forcing drivers to buy gasohol, despite evidence that it harms traditional cars with gummed-up fuel systems, damaged tanks and phase separation. Now they've decided to take away gasohol and force us to buy E20 or E85 by 2018. (For some unexplained reason 95 octane gasohol will survive until 2027.) I'm just left wondering which influential person(s) involved in the production of alcohol is pushing for this. Possibly a well known sugar grower? Source: www.bangkokpost.com/business/news/886640/gasohol-phase-outs-to-drive-biofuel-useAnd the evidence to suggest gasohol gums up fuel systems is ?....gasohol is a blend of normal petrol and ethanol, which is the same alcohol one finds in their Jamesons, i think what your stating is an urban legend and stems from when there was lead in petrol...different things completely There are dozens of articles out there on the Internet reporting problems. One of the problems is that alcohol is a good solvent, so any dirt in the fuel tank or fuel lines gets dislodged. There are also problems because alcohol is highly hydrophilic, and in cooler weather the water can separate out in the fuel tank. Water can then be drawn into the engine. So no, not urban legend. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2016 8:36:38 GMT 7
..............."which is the same alcohol one finds in their Jamesons"................... Well there you go. That stuff makes normally sane people commit lewd acts in Soi 22, imagine what it could do to your engine.
Not sure about Thailand but some cars in Australia run terrible on Ethanol blended fuels. The Mazda ute I used as a work car in Brisbane years ago ran real sluggish on it so I had to fill up with the usual fuel.
I found it is actually better value to use the "Premium" petrol because even after paying extra for it per litre the increased mpg more than covered it. And the car had more grunt and ran longer before needing a tune-up.
In Thailand I still have the same old 2001 model Isuzu pick-up, diesel 2.5 ltr torbo, which I bought off mother-in-law #1 back in 2005. Don't know what wifey puts in it while I'm away but I always avoided the E-DIESEL when possible.
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Post by siampolee on Mar 5, 2016 8:44:43 GMT 7
Agreed micksaraphee.
I too only use the normal diesel in our Isuzu P/U. none of that fancy jiggered about stuff, fuel consumption hover aroud 14k per litre round town and up to around 16k per litre if driving up country to Surin or Korat ect..
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Post by Soutpeel on Mar 5, 2016 8:48:29 GMT 7
And the evidence to suggest gasohol gums up fuel systems is ?....gasohol is a blend of normal petrol and ethanol, which is the same alcohol one finds in their Jamesons, i think what your stating is an urban legend and stems from when there was lead in petrol...different things completely There are dozens of articles out there on the Internet reporting problems. One of the problems is that alcohol is a good solvent, so any dirt in the fuel tank or fuel lines gets dislodged. There are also problems because alcohol is highly hydrophilic, and in cooler weather the water can separate out in the fuel tank. Water can then be drawn into the engine. So no, not urban legend. So exactly as i infered the fuel itself doesnt gum up the fuel system, dirty fuel lines and water are causes not the fuel Ethanol maybe hydrophillic ( which means water loving) but it doesnt drag or separate any water from anywhere, a hydrophillic substance will bond with the water molecule because of the hydroxyl in the molecular chain You may be correct in suggesting ethanol could cause problems with a fuel system if precautions are not taken, but you are incorrect in suggesting the ethanol in a gasohol mix gums up a fuel system....it doesnt |
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Post by Soutpeel on Mar 5, 2016 8:54:00 GMT 7
..............."which is the same alcohol one finds in their Jamesons"................... Well there you go. That stuff makes normally sane people commit lewd acts in Soi 22, imagine what it could do to your engine. Not sure about Thailand but some cars in Australia run terrible on Ethanol blended fuels. The Mazda ute I used as a work car in Brisbane years ago ran real sluggish on it so I had to fill up with the usual fuel. I found it is actually better value to use the "Premium" petrol because even after paying extra for it per litre the increased mpg more than covered it. And the car had more grunt and ran longer before needing a tune-up. In Thailand I still have the same old 2001 model Isuzu pick-up, diesel 2.5 ltr torbo, which I bought off mother-in-law #1 back in 2005. Don't know what wifey puts in it while I'm away but I always avoided the E-DIESEL when possible. Let me let you in on a little secret, coming from some one who works in the business...a lot of these additives to give you "super" fuels are just marketing gimmicks to sell you more expensive fuel Your running sluggish because the vehicle wasnt tuned properly to run on that mix thats all...not the fuel per se |
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Post by AyG on Mar 5, 2016 8:57:25 GMT 7
There are dozens of articles out there on the Internet reporting problems. One of the problems is that alcohol is a good solvent, so any dirt in the fuel tank or fuel lines gets dislodged. There are also problems because alcohol is highly hydrophilic, and in cooler weather the water can separate out in the fuel tank. Water can then be drawn into the engine. So no, not urban legend. So exactly as i infered the fuel itself doesnt gum up the fuel system, dirty fuel lines and water are causes not the fuel Ethanol maybe hydrophillic ( which means water loving) but it doesnt drag or separate any water from anywhere, a hydrophillic substance will bond with the water molecule because of the hydroxyl in the molecular chain You may be correct in suggesting ethanol could cause problems with a fuel system if precautions are not taken, but you are incorrect in suggesting the ethanol in a gasohol mix gums up a fuel system....it doesnt You're right. It's not the fuel itself, it's the use of the fuel that can lead to the gumming up. Stick with petrol and you don't have a problem. Ethanol absorbs water from the air. To quote one source "The key problem is that ethanol absorbs water from the atmosphere. In fact, fuel with 10 percent ethanol absorbs up to 50 times more water than standard gasoline." The article also lists a number of problems associated with ethanol use. www.mossmotors.com/SiteGraphics/Pages/ethanol.htmlhttp://www.mossmotors.com/SiteGraphics/Pages/ethanol.html |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2016 9:02:28 GMT 7
Agreed micksaraphee. I too only use the normal diesel in our Isuzu P/U. none of that fancy jiggered about stuff, fuel consumption hover aroud 14k per litre round town and up to around 16k per litre if driving up country to Surin or Korat ect.. I have done lots of long trips in my old clunker, up to 3,200 km round trips, CM - Nong Khai - Surin - Koh Chang - CM etc. and for some reason every time I check the fuel consumption it is always 14.2 kpl. I am happy with that, cheap to run and drives like a petrol motor. |
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Post by me on Mar 5, 2016 9:37:59 GMT 7
There are dozens of articles out there on the Internet reporting problems. One of the problems is that alcohol is a good solvent, so any dirt in the fuel tank or fuel lines gets dislodged. There are also problems because alcohol is highly hydrophilic, and in cooler weather the water can separate out in the fuel tank. Water can then be drawn into the engine. So no, not urban legend. So exactly as i infered the fuel itself doesnt gum up the fuel system, dirty fuel lines and water are causes not the fuel Ethanol maybe hydrophillic ( which means water loving) but it doesnt drag or separate any water from anywhere, a hydrophillic substance will bond with the water molecule because of the hydroxyl in the molecular chain You may be correct in suggesting ethanol could cause problems with a fuel system if precautions are not taken, but you are incorrect in suggesting the ethanol in a gasohol mix gums up a fuel system....it doesnt As far as I know ehanol has three problems only which can affect well maintained cars. In older vehicles some of the seals are of a rubber or plastic composition which can be affected by ethanol. If a car is not used for a long period the ethanol can evaporate from the petrol ethanol mix thus lowering the ethanol content. Badly adjusted vehickes can run a little hotter than normal and this can affect valve problems. |
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Post by rubl on Mar 5, 2016 18:05:31 GMT 7
And the evidence to suggest gasohol gums up fuel systems is ?....gasohol is a blend of normal petrol and ethanol, which is the same alcohol one finds in their Jamesons, i think what your stating is an urban legend and stems from when there was lead in petrol...different things completely There are dozens of articles out there on the Internet reporting problems. One of the problems is that alcohol is a good solvent, so any dirt in the fuel tank or fuel lines gets dislodged. There are also problems because alcohol is highly hydrophilic, and in cooler weather the water can separate out in the fuel tank. Water can then be drawn into the engine. So no, not urban legend. Haven't really looked at this, but wasn't there a warning that with used cars one might not switch fuel types without proper preparations, changes? |
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