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Post by rubl on Mar 25, 2016 22:26:29 GMT 7
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Post by AyG on Mar 26, 2016 13:20:40 GMT 7
the sun stone and the round church yard walls that suggest the it was the site of a stine circle in earlier times. Not really. Saxon churches were often built in roughly circular enclosures. The sun stone shows four snakes - a Christian symbol of regeneration. (Snakes shed their skins, so are made "anew".) Really no necessary connection to pagan prehistory. |
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Post by rubl on Mar 26, 2016 14:39:34 GMT 7
It should start to rain again because that's much more appropriate when we want to discuss what the 'difference' is between paganism and Christianity. That is apart from the spell checker insisting that one starts with a lower case character and the other with a capital  |
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Post by onionluke on Mar 26, 2016 16:16:45 GMT 7
the sun stone and the round church yard walls that suggest the it was the site of a stine circle in earlier times. Not really. Saxon churches were often built in roughly circular enclosures. The sun stone shows four snakes - a Christian symbol of regeneration. (Snakes shed their skins, so are made "anew".) Really no necessary connection to pagan prehistory. There must be a connection surely . Circular structures were prevalent in prehistoric times through out Britain , hill forts , stone circles and dwellings . In Celtic Britain and Ireland it is believed to have been a common practice for early christians to adopt pagan worship sites , stone circles , or at least to copy the form to please the natives. The snake symbol is one of the oldest used by man and certainly not originating in early christian Britain . By the Godess, you'll be telling me next that Easter is all about Jesus rolling a big boulder around in a cave and chocolate bunnies. "Even if these circular churchyards are not the identical spots on which the ancient inhabitants celebrated their pagan rites, they are, at least, a connecting link between the paganism of their forefathers and the Christian religion which supplanted it. I am inclined to believe that they are the very spots of ground, dedicated in prehistoric times to religious purposes, and appropriated by the early Christians in consequence of their previous use and re-dedication, and devoted to the celebration of the Christian religion. " Circular Churchyards. BY THE REV. ELIAS OWEN, M.A., F.S.A.  |
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Post by AyG on Mar 26, 2016 16:46:51 GMT 7
Not really. Saxon churches were often built in roughly circular enclosures. The sun stone shows four snakes - a Christian symbol of regeneration. (Snakes shed their skins, so are made "anew".) Really no necessary connection to pagan prehistory. There must be a connection surely . Circular structures were prevalent in prehistoric times through out Britain , hill forts , stone circles and dwellings . In Celtic Britain and Ireland it is believed to have been a common practice for early christians to adopt pagan worship sites , stone circles , or at least to copy the form to please the natives. The snake symbol is one of the oldest used by man and certainly not originating in early christian Britain . By the Godess, you'll be telling me next that Easter is all about Jesus rolling a big boulder around in a cave and chocolate bunnies. "Even if these circular churchyards are not the identical spots on which the ancient inhabitants celebrated their pagan rites, they are, at least, a connecting link between the paganism of their forefathers and the Christian religion which supplanted it. I am inclined to believe that they are the very spots of ground, dedicated in prehistoric times to religious purposes, and appropriated by the early Christians in consequence of their previous use and re-dedication, and devoted to the celebration of the Christian religion. " Circular Churchyards. BY THE REV. ELIAS OWEN, M.A., F.S.A. Circular boundaries are indeed an ancient feature, and certainly the norm in the bronze age - you could say they were a design choice. Circular Saxon church boundaries are a similar design choice. There's no need to assume they reflect the takeover of a stone circle. Indeed, most stone circles would be too small to accommodate a church and churchyard inside. Whilst the snake is indeed an ancient symbol, the Sun Stone symbol is four snakes emerging from a boss - a symbol which is found in association with Christian symbols on a number of other stones. The Sun Stone also includes a cross, so is clearly Christian, not pre-Christian. As for the Reverend Owen, he was a 19th century antiquarian - a species prone to idle speculation to put it mildly, and hardly a reliable source. And even he couched his words carefully with "I am inclined to believe". |
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Post by onionluke on Mar 26, 2016 18:49:27 GMT 7
There must be a connection surely . Circular structures were prevalent in prehistoric times through out Britain , hill forts , stone circles and dwellings . In Celtic Britain and Ireland it is believed to have been a common practice for early christians to adopt pagan worship sites , stone circles , or at least to copy the form to please the natives. The snake symbol is one of the oldest used by man and certainly not originating in early christian Britain . By the Godess, you'll be telling me next that Easter is all about Jesus rolling a big boulder around in a cave and chocolate bunnies. "Even if these circular churchyards are not the identical spots on which the ancient inhabitants celebrated their pagan rites, they are, at least, a connecting link between the paganism of their forefathers and the Christian religion which supplanted it. I am inclined to believe that they are the very spots of ground, dedicated in prehistoric times to religious purposes, and appropriated by the early Christians in consequence of their previous use and re-dedication, and devoted to the celebration of the Christian religion. " Circular Churchyards. BY THE REV. ELIAS OWEN, M.A., F.S.A. Circular boundaries are indeed an ancient feature, and certainly the norm in the bronze age - you could say they were a design choice. Circular Saxon church boundaries are a similar design choice. There's no need to assume they reflect the takeover of a stone circle. Indeed, most stone circles would be too small to accommodate a church and churchyard inside. Whilst the snake is indeed an ancient symbol, the Sun Stone symbol is four snakes emerging from a boss - a symbol which is found in association with Christian symbols on a number of other stones. The Sun Stone also includes a cross, so is clearly Christian, not pre-Christian. As for the Reverend Owen, he was a 19th century antiquarian - a species prone to idle speculation to put it mildly, and hardly a reliable source. And even he couched his words carefully with "I am inclined to believe". I have heard in discussion previously that the hog back stones are typical of Norse structures and so could have been tomb door lintels. |
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Post by rubl on Mar 26, 2016 19:00:49 GMT 7
By the Godess, you'll be telling me next that Easter is all about Jesus rolling a big boulder around in a cave and chocolate bunnies. Uhm, no offence and I surely hope this will not upset you, but |
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Post by rgs2001uk on Mar 26, 2016 22:03:50 GMT 7
Amazing stuff, the history that lies in your own backyard and the majority are unaware. They never taught us the stuff in school. 5 thousand years ago. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maeshowe |
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Post by siampolee on Mar 26, 2016 22:31:38 GMT 7
Love history myself and the torrent site I use for downloading has some excellent material from the B.B.C.
Just watched the history of the U.K spanning some 7-8,000 year.
Not sure but I might have couple of invites to this private tracker going free.
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Post by onionluke on Mar 26, 2016 23:20:04 GMT 7
Amazing stuff, the history that lies in your own backyard and the majority are unaware. They never taught us the stuff in school. 5 thousand years ago. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MaeshoweGreat page there. Mae's Temple , bringing us nicely back to easter. |
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