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Apr 1, 2016 23:28:21 GMT 7
Post by rubl on Apr 1, 2016 23:28:21 GMT 7
Legacy, a word used by computer and IT companies to try to convince customers that they really need to buy new stuff. Working in the Computer / IT industry for 35 years now I'll legacy myself of course. On the other hand this week I got a 20 year old system properly working again and I doubt there are many left who could. Of course the fact that I set up this system myself in 1996 and still have all (SW) tools and notes does help. A nice Pentium 90MHz system with 64MB memory, RAID-1 mirroring using 2GB disks and running SCO UNIX 3.2V4.2. Got dirty hands from all that hardware, but was just a reminder why I'm a software guy  |
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Apr 2, 2016 5:39:01 GMT 7
Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2016 5:39:01 GMT 7
Jesus christ, 2GB disks how are they still alive?
Some voodoo you working there.
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Post by siampolee on Apr 2, 2016 8:06:13 GMT 7
Rubl, sure you haven't been here before and going in for the old resurrection business a while back while wearing a frock sort of thing sporting a beard and fashionable flip flops and with a 12 member gang along with conjuring up enough fodder to feed 5,000? Fast forward a couple of millennium and here we see you as you are today.   |
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Post by AyG on Apr 2, 2016 9:57:50 GMT 7
A nice Pentium 90MHz system with 64MB memory 640K ought to be enough for anybody. |
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Apr 2, 2016 10:18:05 GMT 7
Post by rubl on Apr 2, 2016 10:18:05 GMT 7
A nice Pentium 90MHz system with 64MB memory 640K ought to be enough for anybody. Mind you, I started in the 80sh with a system having 8 or 16KB 'core' memory. You could actually 'see' the bits  |
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Apr 2, 2016 10:23:06 GMT 7
Post by rubl on Apr 2, 2016 10:23:06 GMT 7
Rubl, sure you haven't been here before and going in for the old resurrection business a while back while wearing a frock sort of thing sporting a beard and fashionable flip flops and with a 12 member gang along with conjuring up enough fodder to feed 5,000? Fast forward a couple of millennium and here we see you as you are today. I tried the beardy part six or seven years ago and got nowhere after three weeks. Now clean shaven, nicely cropped silvery white hair, benign smile, wondering why ever we stopped plucking ducks to use their feathers for writing. Things like that. |
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Apr 2, 2016 10:28:36 GMT 7
Post by me on Apr 2, 2016 10:28:36 GMT 7
Legacy, a word used by computer and IT companies to try to convince customers that they really need to buy new stuff. Working in the Computer / IT industry for 35 years now I'll legacy myself of course. On the other hand this week I got a 20 year old system properly working again and I doubt there are many left who could. Of course the fact that I set up this system myself in 1996 and still have all (SW) tools and notes does help. A nice Pentium 90MHz system with 64MB memory, RAID-1 mirroring using 2GB disks and running SCO UNIX 3.2V4.2. Got dirty hands from all that hardware, but was just a reminder why I'm a software guy Would many want to. At least you can still run junk like that in a hyperviser. |
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Apr 2, 2016 10:51:53 GMT 7
Post by rubl on Apr 2, 2016 10:51:53 GMT 7
Legacy, a word used by computer and IT companies to try to convince customers that they really need to buy new stuff. Working in the Computer / IT industry for 35 years now I'll legacy myself of course. On the other hand this week I got a 20 year old system properly working again and I doubt there are many left who could. Of course the fact that I set up this system myself in 1996 and still have all (SW) tools and notes does help. A nice Pentium 90MHz system with 64MB memory, RAID-1 mirroring using 2GB disks and running SCO UNIX 3.2V4.2. Got dirty hands from all that hardware, but was just a reminder why I'm a software guy Would many want to. At least you can still run junk like that in a hyperviser. It all depends how much you can 'isolate' the 'junk' and how much effort you willing to put into it. |
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Apr 2, 2016 12:13:53 GMT 7
Post by me on Apr 2, 2016 12:13:53 GMT 7
640K ought to be enough for anybody. Mind you, I started in the 80sh with a system having 8 or 16KB 'core' memory. You could actually 'see' the bits I started earlier than you maybe with Sinclair and C64. I got first formal training (except for a bit of basic on PDP 10 at uni) with a Dip Comp Eng using the ultra modern XP trainers at tafe in about 1991 but realised soon f it was hardware I could break it. |
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Apr 2, 2016 12:30:41 GMT 7
Post by rubl on Apr 2, 2016 12:30:41 GMT 7
Mind you, I started in the 80sh with a system having 8 or 16KB 'core' memory. You could actually 'see' the bits I started earlier than you maybe with Sinclair and C64. I got first formal training (except for a bit of basic on PDP 10 at uni) with a Dip Comp Eng using the ultra modern XP trainers at tafe in about 1991 but realised soon f it was hardware I could break it. I started a bit later indeed. The real big iron days were drawing to a close and I realised that if it was software I could break it |
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Apr 3, 2016 5:28:03 GMT 7
Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 5:28:03 GMT 7
Tried cloning an 11 year old Maxtor drive tonight, its dying and OSX doesnt like that, bad sectors etc.
Tomorrow it meets the hammer and the neodymium gets removed and the carcass will probably end up in China like all scrap metal does
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Apr 3, 2016 11:01:29 GMT 7
Post by rubl on Apr 3, 2016 11:01:29 GMT 7
The oldest still working disks I've seen are a few DEC rz26/rz28/rz29 from around 1995. Mostly they have Seagate inside. No 240/340MB Maxtors left from before that, and maybe a handful of DEC rz25's (525MB) from before 1995. Sturdy, even with some in non-controlled, hot and stuffy environments. Bad for business of course. You're supposed to regularly replace hardware and support your local computer and IT company |
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Apr 3, 2016 11:44:37 GMT 7
Post by AyG on Apr 3, 2016 11:44:37 GMT 7
Mind you, I started in the 80sh with a system having 8 or 16KB 'core' memory. You could actually 'see' the bits I started earlier than you maybe with Sinclair and C64. I got first formal training (except for a bit of basic on PDP 10 at uni) with a Dip Comp Eng using the ultra modern XP trainers at tafe in about 1991 but realised soon f it was hardware I could break it. And I started earlier than you. Back in the mid-1970s three schools in the area shared an HP computer. Each had it for one term. No monitor, just a horizontal array of red LEDs above the keyboard which could display letters or be programmed individually. Programming was done by filling in squares on programming squares which were then read optically. No mouse. No printer. I was fortunate that my parents were friends of the maths master who organised the computer so was allowed to take it hope over each inter-term holiday. |
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Apr 3, 2016 11:56:56 GMT 7
Post by me on Apr 3, 2016 11:56:56 GMT 7
I started earlier than you maybe with Sinclair and C64. I got first formal training (except for a bit of basic on PDP 10 at uni) with a Dip Comp Eng using the ultra modern XP trainers at tafe in about 1991 but realised soon f it was hardware I could break it. And I started earlier than you. Back in the mid-1970s three schools in the area shared an HP computer. Each had it for one term. No monitor, just a horizontal array of red LEDs above the keyboard which could display letters or be programmed individually. Programming was done by filling in squares on programming squares which were then read optically. No mouse. No printer. I was fortunate that my parents were friends of the maths master who organised the computer so was allowed to take it hope over each inter-term holiday. Sorry Ayg......I said about the pdp10...1973 at uni. some of it was on green screens and some of it on terminals like telltypes...and some of it we had to do with a paperclip  rubl can tell you about that I am sure. Before that a bit of raio shack stuff.... |
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Post by siampolee on Apr 3, 2016 15:12:28 GMT 7
Ah when I were boy all us ever 'ad were one of these 'ere old bit's o kit!!  |
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rubl can tell you about that I am sure. Before that a bit of raio shack stuff....