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Post by buhi on May 15, 2016 18:39:44 GMT 7
^^^ Kafka's world is very similar to my view of living in Thailand; a non being, controlled by the whims of bureaucrats, who in themselves are envious of my skin and heritage. Don't blame others for your choices. You have a choice. Freewill. Always. Am I blaming others for my choices? Perhaps you misunderstand me, very likely, and Kafka; a complete indifference to alienation. I state it so many times: "I live in my world, my imagination, my reality, not anyone else's; I can share my perceptions, but it is limited to that, my perceptions, not as others might perceive."
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Post by rubl on May 15, 2016 18:40:00 GMT 7
^^^ Kafka's world is very similar to my view of living in Thailand; a non being, controlled by the whims of bureaucrats, who in themselves are envious of my skin and heritage. Don't blame others for your choices. You have a choice. Freewill. Always. ... and that's why people always ask "how did I get into this?"
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Post by buhi on May 15, 2016 18:42:05 GMT 7
Free will, yes and no. Only the mind is free.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 18:44:24 GMT 7
"Do you remember that cliff where you first saw me in Monte Carlo?... That was where I found out about her... She stood there laughing, her black hair blowing in the wind, and told me all about herself — everything.
Things I'll never tell a living soul. I wanted to kill her. It would have been so easy. Remember the precipice? I frightened you, didn't I? You thought I was mad. Perhaps I was. Perhaps I am mad. It wouldn't make for sanity, would it, living with the devil. "I'll make a bargain with you," she said. "You'd look rather foolish trying to divorce me now after four days of marriage. So I'll play the part of a devoted wife, mistress of your precious Manderley. I'll make it the most famous showplace in England, if you like. Then people will visit us and envy us and say we're the luckiest, happiest, couple in the country. What a grand show it will be! What a triumph!" I should never have accepted her dirty bargain, but I did."
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 18:50:34 GMT 7
Free will, yes and no. Only the mind is free. I've always been attracted to minds, seduction always begins in the mind. Free will buhi, always.
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Post by siampolee on May 15, 2016 19:00:52 GMT 7
And Ivana went unto Donald and said unto him '' Donald I am hearing that you are rogering Marla. What steps wilt thou take?
''Bloody great big ones and stand as America's next President on a no smoking platform,'' uttered Donald as he vanished into the sunset and the wide blue yonder.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 19:19:40 GMT 7
“There are as many sorts of women as there are women.” ― Murasaki Shikibu, The Tale of Genji Much of “The Tale of Genji,” the eleventh-century Japanese masterpiece often called the world’s first novel, is about the art of seduction. Not that any sexual act is ever mentioned; very little in Murasaki Shikibu’s prose is plainly stated. Things are suggested, alluded to, often nebulously. What counts in the seduction scenes is the art, the poetry. Quite literally so: the proper approach to a desired lady was through poems, written on scented paper of the finest quality, delivered by an elegantly dressed go-between of appropriate social rank. More poems would be exchanged as soon as the approach bore fruit. A “morning after” poem was an essential part of etiquette. One reason that physical contact between men and women is hardly ever described in “Genji” is that courtly lovers almost never saw one another clearly, and certainly not naked; full nudity is rare even in traditional Japanese erotic art. Women of the upper class sat hidden in murky rooms, behind curtains, screens, and sliding doors. For a respectable woman to be seen in daylight, especially standing up, instead of reclining in an interior, under many layers of clothing, would have been provocative beyond belief. Women were shielded by curtains even when they spoke to male members of their own family. A male suitor could be driven wild by the sight of a woman’s sleeve spilling out from underneath a shade, or by the mere sound of silk rustling behind a lacquer screen. www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/07/20/the-sensualist-books-buruma
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Post by bowie on May 15, 2016 19:58:37 GMT 7
“There are as many sorts of women as there are women.” ― Murasaki Shikibu, The Tale of Genji Much of “The Tale of Genji,” the eleventh-century Japanese masterpiece often called the world’s first novel, is about the art of seduction. Not that any sexual act is ever mentioned; very little in Murasaki Shikibu’s prose is plainly stated. Things are suggested, alluded to, often nebulously. What counts in the seduction scenes is the art, the poetry. Quite literally so: the proper approach to a desired lady was through poems, written on scented paper of the finest quality, delivered by an elegantly dressed go-between of appropriate social rank. More poems would be exchanged as soon as the approach bore fruit. A “morning after” poem was an essential part of etiquette. One reason that physical contact between men and women is hardly ever described in “Genji” is that courtly lovers almost never saw one another clearly, and certainly not naked; full nudity is rare even in traditional Japanese erotic art. Women of the upper class sat hidden in murky rooms, behind curtains, screens, and sliding doors. For a respectable woman to be seen in daylight, especially standing up, instead of reclining in an interior, under many layers of clothing, would have been provocative beyond belief. Women were shielded by curtains even when they spoke to male members of their own family. A male suitor could be driven wild by the sight of a woman’s sleeve spilling out from underneath a shade, or by the mere sound of silk rustling behind a lacquer screen. www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/07/20/the-sensualist-books-burumaVery like Islam. As you might be aware Prawet is an Islamic area, the place I live.This mornig I too kmy son to his futsal club, in the heart of a muslim community. That , islam, the people, is not a problem to me.Inculcation, not free will. I did remark to my wife that it disgusts me that a little girl has to have her head draped in black, whilst her father walks beside her in normal dress, not even the muslim skull cap. Free will? Western idea and certainly few can have the choice , one I aspire to, but in truth we have to free ourselves and that is not an option most have. And that freedom is a delusion, governed by so many factors. Idealism is just that.
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Post by bowie on May 15, 2016 20:22:40 GMT 7
Genet's works[edit] Novels and autobiography[edit] Throughout his five early novels, Genet works to subvert the traditional set of moral values of his assumed readership. He celebrates a beauty in evil, emphasizes his singularity, raises violent criminals to icons, and enjoys the specificity of gay gesture and coding and the depiction of scenes of betrayal. Our Lady of the Flowers (Notre Dame des Fleurs 1943) is a journey through the prison underworld, featuring a fictionalized alter-ego by the name of Divine, usually referred to in the feminine, at the center of a circle of tantes ("aunties" or "queens") with colorful sobriquets such as Mimosa I, Mimosa II, First Communion and the Queen of Rumania. The two auto-fictional novels, The Miracle of the Rose (Miracle de la rose 1946) and The Thief's Journal (Journal du voleur 1949), describe Genet's time in Mettray Penal Colony and his experiences as a vagabond and prostitute across Europe. Querelle de Brest (1947) is set in the midst of the port town of Brest, where sailors and the sea are associated with murder; and Funeral Rites (1949) is a story of love and betrayal across political divides, written this time for the narrator's lover, Jean Decarnin, killed by the Germans in WWII.
Prisoner of Love, published in 1986, after Genet's death, is a memoir of his encounters with Palestinian fighters and Black Panthers; it has, therefore, a more documentary tone than his fiction.
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Post by bowie on May 15, 2016 20:31:34 GMT 7
The main object of a revolution is the liberation of man... not the interpretation and application of some transcendental ideology. Jean Genet
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 20:56:06 GMT 7
rgs
Anyway, to paraphrase the late great Bob Calvert.
She is like a radio I cant switch off There is no way to get peace of mind I would like to live inside a lead lined room And leave all her effin nagging behind
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 20:57:53 GMT 7
Oh very yeah.
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Post by bowie on May 15, 2016 23:19:55 GMT 7
Free will has its downside as Genet explained and Sartre his mentor and dare I say saviour. Free will does indeed mean freedom to do anything and true free will is to murder another. That is the extreme, but one that any humanist has to consider. Much too deep for glib two or three words to explain a very profound , essential, philosophical concept. Nice dinner club conversation, try it as Genet did in a prison. Existentialism does indeed state free choice, responsibility for ones actions. The causal factors of those actions are not of free choice.
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"Simple Twist Of Fate"
They sat together in the park As the evening sky grew dark She looked at him and he felt a spark tingle to his bones It was then he felt alone and wished that he'd gone straight And watched out for a simple twist of fate.
They walked alone by the old canal A little confused I remember well And stopped into a strange hotel with a neon burning bright He felt the heat of the night hit him like a freight train Moving with a simple twist of fate.
A saxophone someplace far off played As she was walking on by the arcade As the light bust through a-beat-up shade where he was waking up She dropped a coin into the cup of a blind man at the gate And forgot about a simple twist of fate.
He woke up the room was bare He didn't see her anywhere He told himself he didn't care pushed the window open wide Felt an emptiness inside to which he just could not relate Brought on by a simple twist of fate.
He hears the ticking of the clocks And walks along with a parrot that talks Hunts her down by the waterfront docks where the sailers all come in Maybe she'll pick him out again how long must he wait One more time for a simple twist of fate.
People tell me it's a sin To know and feel too much within I still believe she was my twin but I lost the ring She was born in spring but I was born too late Blame it on a simple twist of fate.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2016 6:47:18 GMT 7
Free will to me is strength of mind.
An individual's ability to change life and circumstances and not fall back on the usual excuses. I have the greatest respect for the underdogs who have a go, who don't lie down and die and accept their lot. I like fighters, those with ambition and no pretense how they got where they are.
It's not about success and how many Benz are in your garage or not, it's an inner quality that escapes most. For me, should I choose the path of a pampered wife or choose the way I want to be? I always chose what inspires, motivates and drives me, not selfish or head strong but just who I am. You see trophy wives and Hello Kitty type girlfriends here, sad lot. All about money.
Balance always.
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Post by pathumseb on May 16, 2016 7:19:32 GMT 7
“Literature cannot develop between the categories "permitted"—"not permitted"—"this you can and that you can't." Literature that is not the air of its contemporary society, that dares not warn in time against threatening moral and social dangers, such literature does not deserve the name of literature; it is only a facade. Such literature loses the confidence of its own people, and its published works are used as waste paper instead of being read. -Letter to the Fourth National Congress of Soviet Writers” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich
“Art isn't a matter of 'what' but of 'how'.”
― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich
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