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Post by rgs2001uk on Jun 6, 2016 14:36:01 GMT 7
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Post by Soutpeel on Jun 6, 2016 15:06:01 GMT 7
Khmer Empire - 802- 1431 Indian Influence on Thai Dance The Thai dance technique has indeed many features in common with Indian techniques. They include several poses, the use of three different speeds of movements, and the original series of 108 basic movements (now reduced to 68) corresponding in number to the 108 karanas of the Natyashastra. However, there are also definitive differences between the Indian and Thai traditions. [Source:Dr. Jukka O. Miettinen, Asian Traditional Theater and Dance, Theatre Academy Helsinki, xip.fi/atd/thailand/early-periods ] The Thai scholar Mattani Rutnin has noted: Thai dancers, in both the folk and classical styles, hold their bodies straight from the neck to the hips in a vertical axis and move their bodies up and down with their knees bent, stretching to the rhythm of the music. Indian dancers, on the other hand, often move their bodies in an S curve. The arms and hands in Thai dancing are kept in curves, or wong, at different levels, high medium or low, and the legs are bent with the knees opening outward to make an angle called liem (lit., angles) ... The grace and beauty of the dancer depends on how well these curves and angles are maintained in relationship with the proportion of the whole body. (Mattani, 1993) Furthermore, Mattani adds that the Indian mudras are simplified in Thai dance to a few basic hand gestures, which when combined with dance gestures (phasa ta), can denote the actions and, especially, the moods of the characters. She also notes that the foot movements of Thai dance are generally slower than in India and, furthermore, that in Thai dance the toes are mostly curved upward or kept flat at an angle with the legs, but never pointed, as they sometimes are in Indian dance. These differences may be interpreted as signifying that the Thai adopted their dance tradition, not directly from India, but from their neighbours, the Khmer and the Mon, in an already localised form. [Op. Cit, Dr. Jukka O. Miettinen] factsanddetails.com/southeast-asia/Thailand/sub5_8e/entry-3262.html
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Post by AyG on Jun 6, 2016 16:46:16 GMT 7
When the Siamese sacked Angkor Wat in the 13th century they brought back the Khmer court dancers (as well as bronze statues which are now in Burma) and an architectural style (including the "prang"). These Khmer dancers were the foundation of Thai classical dance. The Khmer language also heavily influenced the Thai language around about that time, with the aristocracy in particular using lots of Khmer terms. Clearly the Siamese of Ayutthaya greatly respected the culture of the Khmers (so of course they had to sack their greatest city and seize their lands).
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Post by Mosha on Jun 6, 2016 19:18:23 GMT 7
Isn't Siam a Sanskrit word, meaning Land of the brown people. This spawned the skin whitening industry.
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Post by Mosha on Jun 6, 2016 19:20:19 GMT 7
When the Siamese sacked Angkor Wat in the 13th century they brought back the Khmer court dancers (as well as bronze statues which are now in Burma) and an architectural style (including the "prang"). These Khmer dancers were the foundation of Thai classical dance. The Khmer language also heavily influenced the Thai language around about that time, with the aristocracy in particular using lots of Khmer terms. Clearly the Siamese of Ayutthaya greatly respected the culture of the Khmers (so of course they had to sack their greatest city and seize their lands). Siem Reap mean whipped Thais arse. 555 |
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Post by Soutpeel on Jun 6, 2016 19:23:07 GMT 7
Isn't Siam a Sanskrit word, meaning Land of the brown people. This spawned the skin whitening industry. I believe it is, but also read somewhere that "Siam" in Khmer means "thief" or "pilfer" |
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Post by AyG on Jun 6, 2016 19:37:10 GMT 7
Isn't Siam a Sanskrit word, meaning Land of the brown people. This spawned the skin whitening industry. No, it's not. I addressed this in a post a year or two ago at the other place. The initial "s" used to write Siam in Thai script is the wrong letter if the word came from the Sanskrit "Śyāma". And anyway, the Sanskrit word simply means "dark", rather than "land of the brown people" or anything similar. It has been suggested that it comes from the Pali "Suvaṇṇabhumī", but there's no real evidence, and I'm personally not convinced. I don't think it's really known where it came from. |
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Post by Mosha on Jun 6, 2016 19:48:19 GMT 7
Isn't Siam a Sanskrit word, meaning Land of the brown people. This spawned the skin whitening industry. No, it's not. I addressed this in a post a year or two ago at the other place. The initial "s" used to write Siam in Thai script is the wrong letter if the word came from the Sanskrit "Śyāma". And anyway, the Sanskrit word simply means "dark", rather than "land of the brown people" or anything similar. It has been suggested that it comes from the Pali "Suvaṇṇabhumī", but there's no real evidence, and I'm personally not convinced. I don't think it's really known where it came from. Still dark would upset the hiso Thais. Make no wonder they changed it. |
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Post by rgs2001uk on Jun 6, 2016 21:29:49 GMT 7
In amongst all the dross that appears on Thai telly, every so often something comes along thats worth watching. This is a prime example.  For some strange reason these days, this symbol is associated with the south of Thailand. I watched a programme that traced the history of this symbol. The beauty of the programme was, there were subtitles for reasons about to be explained. The Thai girl (and she knew her stuff) started off here.  This image was traced back from Indonesia, to Thailand, to Cambodia and finally to India. PS, if you have never visited the place in Indonesia, its well worth a visit, and thats from a non culture vulture. |
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Post by Mosha on Jun 7, 2016 5:23:01 GMT 7
Those puppet shows are popular down here, and especially in Nakhon Sri Thammerat. My lady's home turf.
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Post by Soutpeel on Jun 7, 2016 8:03:52 GMT 7
Tensions rise over UN Khon dance bidTHE Thai government was trying yesterday to cool down nationalist sentiment over the its move to register the Khon mask dance on Unesco's Intangible Cultural Heritage List. Social-media users in Cambodia have hotly rebuked the Thai proposal, as they believe the dance is part of Khmer heritage. Although Thailand plans to make the proposal, it has not taken action yet because the country is not a state party to the 2003 Convention for the Safeguarding of the Intangible Cultural Heritage, according to Culture Minister Veera Rojpojanarat. "Listing cultural heritage is not equivalent to registering ownership but we want to preserve the culture. Unesco also does not prohibit a proposal of similar culture property for the list," Veera said. Cambodian media reported yesterday that social-media users expressed anger when news emerged that Thailand would |propose the Khon mask dance for the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation's list, saying the Thai version was based on the Khmer "Lakhon Khol" tradition. Social-media postings mostly blamed the government in Phnom Penh for doing little to block Thailand's move. Cambodian film star and TV host Chorn Chanlakhena took to Facebook, demanding a government response to the issue. "May all of us save the art of Lakhon Khol, if we have Khmer blood and Khmer ideals," she was quoted by the Khmer Times as saying. "Lakhon Khol has belonged to Khmer people since the ancient times. Lakhon Khol does not belong to Thailand. If you love and want to support Lakhon Khol, please share this post so that the world will know Lakhon Khol has its real origins from Cambodia, not from Thailand," she said. Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen posted on Facebook that his government was also preparing to propose Lakhon Khol for the Unesco list. www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Tensions-rise-over-UN-Khon-dance-bid-30287547.html
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