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Post by buhi on Jun 30, 2016 20:40:31 GMT 7
The social group consisting of people who are employed for wages, especially in manual or industrial work.
Despite the appalling conditions of 19 century industrial towns, they were far better than than those that prevailed in bonded servitude in agriculture, hence the mass migration of the unenfranchised to urban industrial employment.
The same force still drives the agarian poor in Thailand to a relatively higher standard of living working for wages.
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Post by rubl on Jun 30, 2016 22:04:03 GMT 7
Gutenberg just put this on two days ago "The White Slaves of England by John C. Cobden, 1854" www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/52423That 'far better' of than those in bonded servitude is doubtful. "Freedom to starve is no freedom" |
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Post by buhi on Jul 1, 2016 5:24:47 GMT 7
I did not state "freedom to starve," neither did I imply the working class lived the dream, far from it. Cobden , 1854, I fully agree. He was not writing about a pre industrial agrarian paradise. It was you that said anglo saxon, pre industrial working class. I corrected the error, pre industrial the majority of the people lived in bonded servitude, agrarian serfs.
Cobden and Bright, free trade , repeal of the corn laws from memory.
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Post by rubl on Jul 1, 2016 12:30:31 GMT 7
I did not state "freedom to starve," neither did I imply the working class lived the dream, far from it. Cobden , 1854, I fully agree. He was not writing about a pre industrial agrarian paradise. It was you that said anglo saxon, pre industrial working class. I corrected the error, pre industrial the majority of the people lived in bonded servitude, agrarian serfs. Cobden and Bright, free trade , repeal of the corn laws from memory. The reference to "... and that was before the Angles and Saxons hopped over" was a bit tongue-in-cheek. Surprised you didn't notice. As for your "far better off" even if combined with appalling conditions, the working class wasn't really better of than the serfs or slaves a wee bit longer ago. The descriptive 'working class' was just a new label describing the same poor sods. BTW it was indeed Richard Cobdon and Bright for free trade and repeal of the corn laws. I looked them up on wiki. Mind you, the writer of the book I mentioned is John C. Cobdon. Haven't found anything else about him yet. |
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Post by AyG on Jul 1, 2016 12:46:39 GMT 7
Mind you, the writer of the book I mentioned is John C. Cobdon. Haven't found anything else about him yet. The following may be utterly wrong, but I posit: (1) The book was written under a pseudonym - a very common practice, particularly amongst the middle and upper classes, at the time for matters of social inconvenience. (Hence the trouble in finding any information about the author.) (2) The "Cobden" surname was intended to suggest an association with Richard Cobden. |
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