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Post by rubl on Nov 13, 2016 12:31:52 GMT 7
"Government claw-back stops refugees taking jobs Refugees living in asylum seeker centres sometimes turn down jobs because so little cash is left over once they have paid a contribution for their board and upkeep to the refugee settlement agency, the Volkskrant said on Friday. Refugees have been asked to pay a contribution toward the cost of their accommodation since 2008. Asylum seekers are allowed to work for up to 24 weeks a year once they have been in the country longer than six months. ... ‘We know from previous experience that the longer people are inactive, the more difficult it is to get them working. It’s important that people start participating actively while living in centres, especially now that the waiting times for houses are increasing,’ a spokesman said. Read more at DutchNews.nl: Government claw-back stops refugees taking jobs: Volkskrant www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2016/11/government-claw-back-stops-refugees-taking-jobs-volkskrant/" |
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Post by rgs2001uk on Nov 13, 2016 15:47:30 GMT 7
"Government claw-back stops refugees taking jobs Refugees living in asylum seeker centres sometimes turn down jobs because so little cash is left over once they have paid a contribution for their board and upkeep to the refugee settlement agency, the Volkskrant said on Friday. Refugees have been asked to pay a contribution toward the cost of their accommodation since 2008. Asylum seekers are allowed to work for up to 24 weeks a year once they have been in the country longer than six months. ... ‘We know from previous experience that the longer people are inactive, the more difficult it is to get them working. It’s important that people start participating actively while living in centres, especially now that the waiting times for houses are increasing,’ a spokesman said. Read more at DutchNews.nl: Government claw-back stops refugees taking jobs: Volkskrant www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2016/11/government-claw-back-stops-refugees-taking-jobs-volkskrant/" Ungrateful freeloading bastids. Welcome to the real world, I sometimes ask myself why I bother getting out of bed in the morning. We have enough of these freeloaders of our own negating to need to import anymore. |
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Post by rubl on Nov 13, 2016 15:52:46 GMT 7
I think it's a good idea to let refugees help finance their stay, but it's only human to dislike work for peanuts.
You might also want to remember some complain immigrants take all the jobs because they are willing to work for peanuts.
A bit puzzling that contradiction
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Post by AyG on Nov 13, 2016 16:10:28 GMT 7
Clearly the level of benefits paid to the economic migrants is excessive. It allows them to live in such a level of comfort that they are not incentivised to work for a living.
The obvious solution would be to cut all benefits after the six month period in which they aren't allowed to work. That gives them six months to find a job. Then, if they're not happy with what they can earn, they can go back to whatever glub-forsaken hell hole they came from (or starve to death - personally I don't mind which option they choose. That's their right to self determination).
The tendency for governments to be overgenerous with taxpayer money is hardly an NL-specific problem. Certainly in the UK the government is similarly far too generous with the workshy and feckless, giving them such generous handouts that they can afford expensive consumer goods, booze and illicit drugs whilst contributing nothing positive to society.
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Post by rubl on Nov 13, 2016 16:29:35 GMT 7
Sounds nice AyG but then we're back unto immigrants taking all the jobs away from the locals as the immigrants are 'obviously' willing to work for peanuts.
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Post by AyG on Nov 13, 2016 16:43:03 GMT 7
Sounds nice AyG but then we're back unto immigrants taking all the jobs away from the locals as the immigrants are 'obviously' willing to work for peanuts. Actually, lowering of wages (without any minimum wage) will increase the number of jobs. Opportunities will arise which are currently uneconomic because of relatively high minimum wages. Personally, for example, I'd be happy to pay someone a small amount to shine my shoes, pick up my dogs' doings, wash my dishes, squeeze toothpaste onto my toothbrush, wipe my arse and shake my dong after pee'ing. I'm sure many would feel the same. At the moment only the very wealthy can afford such services. They should be available to all at a reasonable (i.e. very cheap) price. We need to go back to a more traditional society where the unskilled peasants (or, in today's terms, "refugees" or "economic migrants") are grateful for whatever work they have because otherwise they'd starve. It's an economic model that has worked for millennia, and abandoning it was a significant error. Of course, not all economic migrants are completely devoid of employable skills. Let the qualified refugee doctors, brain surgeons, lawyers, architects, rocket scientists, &c.. compete freely against the native ones. I rather suspect they wouldn't get far, but might bring down the high costs of professional services. |
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Post by rubl on Nov 13, 2016 16:47:44 GMT 7
Sounds nice AyG but then we're back unto immigrants taking all the jobs away from the locals as the immigrants are 'obviously' willing to work for peanuts. Actually, lowering of wages (without any minimum wage) will increase the number of jobs. Opportunities will arise which are currently uneconomic because of relatively high minimum wages. Personally, for example, I'd be happy to pay someone a small amount to shine my shoes, pick up my dogs' doings, wash my dishes, squeeze toothpaste onto my toothbrush, wipe my arse and shake my dong after pee'ing. I'm sure many would feel the same. At the moment only the very wealthy can afford such services. They should be available to all at a reasonable (i.e. very cheap) price. We need to go back to a more traditional society where the unskilled peasants (or, in today's terms, "refugees" or "economic migrants") are grateful for whatever work they have because otherwise they'd starve. It's an economic model that has worked for millennia, and abandoning it was a significant error. Of course, not all economic migrants are completely devoid of employable skills. Let the qualified refugee doctors, brain surgeons, lawyers, architects, rocket scientists, &c.. compete freely against the native ones. I rather suspect they wouldn't get far, but might bring down the high costs of professional services. I'm afraid that the 'unskilled peasants' translates to 'the local unskilled'. Rumour has it they're not going to work for low wages and would like the jobs immigrants take ONLY if those jobs pay more. |
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Post by me on Nov 13, 2016 16:53:55 GMT 7
I think it's a good idea to let refugees help finance their stay, but it's only human to dislike work for peanuts. You might also want to remember some complain immigrants take all the jobs because they are willing to work for peanuts. A bit puzzling that contradiction Work should be related to infrastructure for them and maintaining refugees and deductions can be made for administrating and supporting them. |
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Post by AyG on Nov 13, 2016 17:08:30 GMT 7
Actually, lowering of wages (without any minimum wage) will increase the number of jobs. Opportunities will arise which are currently uneconomic because of relatively high minimum wages. Personally, for example, I'd be happy to pay someone a small amount to shine my shoes, pick up my dogs' doings, wash my dishes, squeeze toothpaste onto my toothbrush, wipe my arse and shake my dong after pee'ing. I'm sure many would feel the same. At the moment only the very wealthy can afford such services. They should be available to all at a reasonable (i.e. very cheap) price. We need to go back to a more traditional society where the unskilled peasants (or, in today's terms, "refugees" or "economic migrants") are grateful for whatever work they have because otherwise they'd starve. It's an economic model that has worked for millennia, and abandoning it was a significant error. Of course, not all economic migrants are completely devoid of employable skills. Let the qualified refugee doctors, brain surgeons, lawyers, architects, rocket scientists, &c.. compete freely against the native ones. I rather suspect they wouldn't get far, but might bring down the high costs of professional services. I'm afraid that the 'unskilled peasants' translates to 'the local unskilled'. Rumour has it they're not going to work for low wages and would like the jobs immigrants take ONLY if those jobs pay more. My point is that the total number of employed would increase. It matters not that the local peasants won't do the jobs. They will continue as they are, employed or not as the case may be, and economic migrants won't be taking their jobs. The economic migrants would be taking on not only those jobs that the local peasants eschew as being "beneath them" (primarily because they require hard work), but also jobs that currently don't exist such as "toothpaste squeezer" and "dong shaker". Also, without the protection of minimum wage, the pay rate for the current "beneath them for local peasants" jobs would fall, increasing the profitability of employers which will be reflected in either lower prices or higher tax revenue for the government. |
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Post by toknarok on Nov 14, 2016 12:04:58 GMT 7
No wonder Australia has such tough immigration policies. Studies have revealed that 90% of refugees allowed into Aust, are on welfare and 50% have never ever had a job. Bludgers. See.......http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2015/09/latest-study-of-refugees-settled-in-australia-90-on-welfare-50-never-held-a-job-here-or-home-country.html
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Post by smokie36 on Nov 14, 2016 13:14:12 GMT 7
Shoot all the bloody foreigners and bring back slavery.
Eh what!!
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Post by rgs2001uk on Nov 14, 2016 14:21:32 GMT 7
No wonder Australia has such tough immigration policies. Studies have revealed that 90% of refugees allowed into Aust, are on welfare and 50% have never ever had a job. Bludgers. See.......http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2015/09/latest-study-of-refugees-settled-in-australia-90-on-welfare-50-never-held-a-job-here-or-home-country.html Merkel wants to know why out the 1 million she accepted, only 100 have been able to find work. I am sure the German people must be happy picking up the tab for that lot. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 14:54:46 GMT 7
My parents migrated to Australia in 1950, had to have a sponsor and a job arranged before they were allowed on the ship, five kids in tow.
Dad virtually stepped off the ship in Brisbane and started work with Evans Deakin in the shipyards at Kangaroo Point. Not long after Mum was working in the cannery at Huttons, sending corned beef back to the UK !
More work than you ask for. They were the good ol' days.
Different days now, the only reason there is such a thing as immigration to countries like Australia is because of the way the economy works, the population has to rise at a certain rate or the economy will actually go backwards. Unfortunately Australia is at zero population growth, not like it was back in the fifties when there were big families.
Funny thing about my country, there are a lot of jobs down there that are seasonal, fruit picking etc, and the farmers rely on backpackers to fill these jobs, the Aussies won't do it.
I have a friend in Gunnedah, NSW who owns two big Case harvesters, does mainly wheat and chick peas etc. October - January is the busy time. He has backpackers driving his machines, sometimes the same guys come back every year to work for him.
They talk about migrants "stealing" jobs off Aussies, in many cases that is bs, as the migrants are doing the shit jobs that the locals won't touch. Like the two Vietnamese guys who drag an oxy set around Sims Metal scrap yard all through the heat in summer, cutting up steel. Boss there told me they were the only two who would do it, nobody else could handle the heat.
I have seen cases like this so many times in my working life, the so-called thieving migrant taking a job off an Aussie.
Nearly every taxi in Brisbane has an Indian driver behind the wheel.
In my whole life I have known only three Aussie guys who drove a cab, most don't care if the Indians want to do it. The Aussies are not taxi drivers, for as long as I can remember there have been foreigners driving cabs there.
Aussies get p**sed and use cabs, not drive them.
I wish they would stop immigration all together tomorrow in Australia just to see the reaction when the economy starts to falter and people start whining.
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Post by toknarok on Nov 15, 2016 11:21:32 GMT 7
In 1973 I left Africa and went to Perth W.A. At that time there was a bit of a recession and there were few jobs available. After a few days I managed to get a casual job at the old Perth Metropolitan Market loading fruit and vegetables onto lorries for distribution around the City and State. Jeesus it was hard yakka. I've never worked so hard in my life, start at 4am and work through to 2pm when the temperature could reach 40 degrees. Still it was a start and I stuck at it right through the summer until something less taxing came along. Never been so fit in my life.
If 50% of the immigrants resident in Australia have never had a job then Australia is accepting the wrong people. Today we are reading of young African (mostly Somalis)gangs running riot in Melbourne terrorising the population.
Can't speak English, so what? Learn - free lessons are available. It doesn't require a knowledge of English to load vegetables or pick fruit. There's enough native Aussies bludging on the system as it is without any more immigrants sucking off the welfare tit.
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