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Post by toknarok on Nov 15, 2016 11:58:06 GMT 7
Family Mart aim to double the number of stores they have in Thailand so as to compete with the 7/11 chain. Do we need any more of this type of store? they seem to be everywhere. Personally I prefer the mom'n pop stores get my business but I do admit the marts are good for items not usually stocked by the village store.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 12:18:30 GMT 7
Family Mart aim to double the number of stores they have in Thailand so as to compete with the 7/11 chain. Do we need any more of this type of store? they seem to be everywhere. Personally I prefer the mom'n pop stores get my business but I do admit the marts are good for items not usually stocked by the village store. I'm a believer in micro-businesses, and Thailand has a good record in this regard. The problem with this type of store is that it is a corporate haven. Distribution of goods from a direct warehouse, supplying a narrow band of goods from conglomerates. It destroys small local suppliers, and results in a homogeneous desert. The latest imbroglio between 7/eleven and the mobile phone company shows how entwined corporatism is. Restricted supply lines driving customers into these retail monoliths, and leaving the mom and pop stores stranded. Smart card technology drives traffic away from these stores. As the Thai banking system develops, the population won't need to queue to pay bills and top up their phones. They'll be able to go back to the mom and pop stores that survived the monopoly. The sooner the better.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 12:31:40 GMT 7
The problem that I see is the saturation, once something proves to be a money earner in LOS everyone and his dog follow suit. Classic example was Pattaya's Second Road, Family Mart next to a 7-11 next to a Mini Mart, then a gap for about 3 other businesses and repeat again with 3 more convenience stores. 6 convenience stores within about 50 paces. This was about 5 years ago, as I haven't been there for a long time, so things may have changed. Maybe the whole block is now full of convenience stores.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 12:32:52 GMT 7
By the way - many foreigners would be astonished at how much these Thai micro-businesses make.
I have a friend who owns a mom and pop store on a CM backstreet. The type of street that you'll never see 7/eleven. The place is pandemonium from 6.00 a.m. till 11.00 p.m. I have never been at the shop when there haven't been at least three people waiting to be served.
It's speciality is local meats, the type you'll never see in 7/eleven. My mate reckons he can set his watch to earn 400,000 baht a month. He says, and I've seen it, that he draws 50,000 baht a month profit from the constant twenty regulars ( Thais ) that sit outside his shop drinking just about all day every day.
The mother-in-law runs a two tick books - one for consumers, the other for borrowers. Once in a blue moon and consumer can't pay ( never won't pay, always can't pay ). Her attitude?
I've earned thousands from him/her over the years - it's not what he/she has cost me by non-payment - it's what he/she has earned me. And short of death, they'll repay me eventually.
This is real Old School psychology - not exclusive to Thailand. Anyone that remembers the tick book in the local pub will be familiar with it. We had one guy who ran a constant $400 equivalent line. My mother used to ask if he ever intended clearing it, my Dad pointed out he was spending $1800 a month in the pub, and he'd love another twenty customers like him.
This is where mom and pop stores win, they can tie customers in. And you better believe, when your broke and you know that you can still eat today - mom and pop stores are a salvation.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 12:37:51 GMT 7
The problem that I see is the saturation, once something proves to be a money earner in LOS everyone and his dog follow suit. Classic example was Pattaya's Second Road, Family Mart next to a 7-11 next to a Mini Mart, then a gap for about 3 other businesses and repeat again with 3 more convenience stores. 6 convenience stores within about 50 paces. This was about 5 years ago, as I haven't been there for a long time, so things may have changed. Maybe the whole block is now full of convenience stores. I was talking to a woman that knew a director of 7/eleven style company in the USA. I'm not suggesting the same business model applies in Thailand, but he said that they don't care how much the outlets make, it's only a front for their property portfolio. Where they can, they buy the property, or secure long term leases on good terms. The franchise holder then pays a premium on the property escalating forever. That guarantees their basal income - whatever is then subsequently sold within the premises is a bonus ball.
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Post by pathumseb on Nov 15, 2016 12:47:05 GMT 7
I prefer mom and pop shops- had one opposite my house in Rangsit- ice cold beers and a decent seating area made it a focal point for the community. Beer and food was often shared and I learned to speak Thai in such a setting- just one of the many things that I miss from Thailand
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 12:48:28 GMT 7
I like the 7-11's and Family Mart shops in Thailand, very convenient. My wife just went to our local 7 to pay for our internet account and also they stock things like bottles of spicy Isaan sauce that I have never seen anywhere else.
I refuse to buy anything from a 7-11 in Australia, an Indian company has something to do with the franchise and every store is run by an arrogant prik who charges ridiculous prices for crap.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 12:49:40 GMT 7
The curry shop next door to my massage shop makes over 100,000 baht a month. That's more than most of the farangs strolling past have ever made, looking at it with contempt. "just another struggling Thai business." There's not a day in the month that it turns over less than 10,000 baht. On the row that my shop is on, there's a Chinese herbalist type business that most people never notice. It's making funny money. The owner of the hole-in-the-wall pharmacy across the road told me he wouldn't "sell it for 20 million baht." I get entertained by clueless farangs not understanding what's taking place in front of their noses. Take an attitude that most of the food vendors at Chiang Mai Gate market are earning at least 1000 baht per night and you won't go far wrong. One guy I know in Bangkok reckons he sells 130 barbecue fish a day, at a profit of 30 baht a fish. I saw him sell 10 in 15 minutes - I believe him. However, as Tony pointed out - saturation can kill. A farang pal bought a juice stall for 250,000 baht that was earning 1500 baht a day. What he didn't know was that the owner was connected, and no one would dare compete with her. Within weeks of her selling up, another three juice stall set up nearby. He sold the stall last month for 100,000 baht. Street smarts are essential.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 12:51:10 GMT 7
I prefer mom and pop shops- had one opposite my house in Rangsit- ice cold beers and a decent seating area made it a focal point for the community. Beer and food was often shared and I learned to speak Thai in such a setting- just one of the many things that I miss from Thailand Sounds just like the place my pal has.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 12:52:57 GMT 7
I like the 7-11's and Family Mart shops in Thailand, very convenient. My wife just went to our local 7 to pay for our internet account and also they stock things like bottles of spicy Isaan sauce that I have never seen anywhere else. I refuse to buy anything from a 7-11 in Australia, an Indian company has something to do with the franchise and every store is run by an arrogant prik who charges ridiculous prices for crap. Ah, that'll be Apu.
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Post by smokie36 on Nov 15, 2016 13:12:29 GMT 7
We need more bars on Petchaburi Road....selling cheap beer and with all the UK football....max of half a dozen seats at the bar and one reserved for Mr smokie naturally.
Bitterballen and garlic mushrooms with blue cheese optional of course.
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Post by buhi on Nov 15, 2016 13:53:01 GMT 7
The problem that I see is the saturation, once something proves to be a money earner in LOS everyone and his dog follow suit. Classic example was Pattaya's Second Road, Family Mart next to a 7-11 next to a Mini Mart, then a gap for about 3 other businesses and repeat again with 3 more convenience stores. 6 convenience stores within about 50 paces. This was about 5 years ago, as I haven't been there for a long time, so things may have changed. Maybe the whole block is now full of convenience stores. I was talking to a woman that knew a director of 7/eleven style company in the USA. I'm not suggesting the same business model applies in Thailand, but he said that they don't care how much the outlets make, it's only a front for their property portfolio. Where they can, they buy the property, or secure long term leases on good terms. The franchise holder then pays a premium on the property escalating forever. That guarantees their basal income - whatever is then subsequently sold within the premises is a bonus ball. You are correct, who owns the 7/11 franchise in Thailand? Not likely to go broke any time soon.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 14:03:03 GMT 7
Sam Walton, of Walmart always said - we can't beat small businesses. They can give a level of customer service that we dream of.
To be fair, he was referring more to specialist suppliers like paint stores, gun shops etc
The problem with general retail shopping is that customers value convenience over price six days a week, then price over convenience one day a week - that's when they go to Walmart. So Walmart gets the bulk spend, convenience stores get the impulse buys and a pint of milk.
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Post by me on Nov 15, 2016 14:30:13 GMT 7
Sam Walton, of Walmart always said - we can't beat small businesses. They can give a level of customer service that we dream of. To be fair, he was referring more to specialist suppliers like paint stores, gun shops etc The problem with general retail shopping is that customers value convenience over price six days a week, then price over convenience one day a week - that's when they go to Walmart. So Walmart gets the bulk spend, convenience stores get the impulse buys and a pint of milk. They can but rarely do they. I lived in a large complex building in Chiangmai. Among other things I used to go to the local store each day to buy a bag of ice....and a bottle of drink I prefered diet coke to coke but for some time drank the sugar despite the bottles costing 3 baht more than elswhere (the 3 baht was not signifigent) I asked him to start getting diet coke and I would buy it and I knew there were other customers that would prefer it too. No can do. I then changed to the 7 down the road or bought it myself from MAKRO. Loss to them in general purchases from me...about 200 baht a day. Not isolated either.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 14:35:14 GMT 7
Sam Walton, of Walmart always said - we can't beat small businesses. They can give a level of customer service that we dream of. To be fair, he was referring more to specialist suppliers like paint stores, gun shops etc The problem with general retail shopping is that customers value convenience over price six days a week, then price over convenience one day a week - that's when they go to Walmart. So Walmart gets the bulk spend, convenience stores get the impulse buys and a pint of milk. They can but rarely do they. I lived in a large complex building in Chiangmai. Among other things I used to go to the local store each day to buy a bag of ice....and a bottle of drink I prefered diet coke to coke but for some time drank the sugar despite the bottles costing 3 baht more than elswhere (the 3 baht was not signifigent) I asked him to start getting diet coke and I would buy it and I knew there were other customers that would prefer it too. No can do. I then changed to the 7 down the road or bought it myself from MAKRO. Not isolated either. Yes - that's retail Darwinism. My home town had an outstanding paper merchant/card shop type place. It was legendary and one of those places you loved visiting as a kid. When the father retired, the daughter's risk averse attitude resulted in the place closing down. A minor local tragedy. Some people are just not cut out for dealing with the public.
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