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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 10:52:46 GMT 7
He believed in the Aryan Brotherhood, and that Indians were higher up the pyramid than Africans. That's out-and-out racism. If he believed in the Aryan Brotherhood, then he is pretty much a racist.  I think Indians believe they are higher up the pyramid than all other races, as most countries do, ours included. Too many people worship guys like Gandhi and Mandela. Maybe even Churchill too. They were all members of the human race with their own faults, with some faults being appalling to the modern eye. |
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Post by buhi on Jan 6, 2017 10:57:30 GMT 7
I will add; I know bleth's culture am half scot, know mick's but not from being down under, know most on here by language.
Language is cultural and its nuances are immediately accessible to those of that language, culture.
We are in another culture, another language. You can not go native, never can.But it is a learning experience.
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Post by me on Jan 6, 2017 11:04:02 GMT 7
Did Winston Churchill stagger round a public park drunk, with no shirt on, carrying a bottle of booze, insulting people ? We are talking about two different types of human. You are talking about a famous public figure you claim was a racist, I am talking about a drunken, trailer trash lout. Don't compare Churchill to people like that, it is an insult to the great man. The elements are all there: He was a famous drinker, reportedly drinking 42,000 bottles of Pol Roger Champagne during his lifetime. He also said something along the lines of "the problem with port after dinner is that two bottles isn't enough, and three is too many". He notoriously spent much of his time naked. He definitely was rather prone to insulting people (and was actually rather good at it). On Ramsay McDonald: 'I remember when I was a child, being taken to the celebrated Barnum's Circus, which contained an exhibition of freaks and monstrosities, but the exhibit on the programme which I most desired to see was the one described as "The Boneless Wonder". My parents judged that the spectacle would be too demoralising and revolting for my youthful eye and I have waited fifty years, to see the The Boneless Wonder sitting on the Treasury Bench'. And on Baldwin: 'I wish Stanley Baldwin no ill, but it would have been much better if he had never lived'. And as for racist, how about: 'I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place'? Of course, Churchill was born into enormous privilege. Had he been born in a trailer park, he may well have ended up like the drunken lout. Not so different, really. I am waiting for an apology from those dutch for invading England....and while we are about it one from the Scandanavians would be in order too. |
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Post by me on Jan 6, 2017 11:07:05 GMT 7
Two issues...the behaviour is disgusting and unfortunately common. People are people and must always be treated as such.
The cause of the behaviour is disgusting too...the failure of the government to listen to the population and control its borders in line with those wishes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 14:21:29 GMT 7
I will add; I know bleth's culture am half scot, know mick's but not from being down under, know most on here by language. Language is cultural and its nuances are immediately accessible to those of that language, culture. We are in another culture, another language. You can not go native, never can.But it is a learning experience. buhi, you probably know my culture as good as your own, as I am half Irish, half Welsh and half Australian.  |
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Post by buhi on Jan 6, 2017 16:36:14 GMT 7
I will add; I know bleth's culture am half scot, know mick's but not from being down under, know most on here by language. Language is cultural and its nuances are immediately accessible to those of that language, culture. We are in another culture, another language. You can not go native, never can.But it is a learning experience. buhi, you probably know my culture as good as your own, as I am half Irish, half Welsh and half Australian. Three halves, I thought I was bad at math. |
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Post by Soutpeel on Jan 12, 2017 10:44:19 GMT 7
If he believed in the Aryan Brotherhood, then he is pretty much a racist. I think Indians believe they are higher up the pyramid than all other races, as most countries do, ours included. Too many people worship guys like Gandhi and Mandela. Maybe even Churchill too. They were all members of the human race with their own faults, with some faults being appalling to the modern eye. Gandhi was a pedo and Mandela, a terrorist |
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Post by AyG on Jan 12, 2017 12:07:30 GMT 7
And a wife beater, and a gay hypocrite who tried to erase all evidence of homoeroticism from Indian temples . (He probably didn't do anything to the young women who slept with him. He only ever had sexual intercourse with a woman once, and it made him feel physically ill. He then vowed never to repeat the experience.) |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 12:18:17 GMT 7
...................."had sexual intercourse with a woman once, and it made him feel physically ill"......................... Well that part of your comment probably applies to a lot of us ! But most of us get over it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 12:35:16 GMT 7
I find it hard to determine which is the worst sort of violence - strapping bombs to someone's body and having them blow themselves up in a crowded market, killing lots of innocent victims, just to make some sort of statement, or to create fear, or as an act of recrimination.
Or dropping tens of thousands of tonnes of bombs from 30,000 feet up, wiping out thousands of enemy targets as well as thousands of innocent victims. Collateral damage.
I find it hard to condemn one without condemning the other. I hate the thought of both forms of violence. One could think the terrorists have shares in the armaments industry. Could be the next big conspiracy theory.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 13:04:06 GMT 7
Too many people worship guys like Gandhi and Mandela. Maybe even Churchill too. They were all members of the human race with their own faults, with some faults being appalling to the modern eye. Gandhi was a pedo and Mandela, a terrorist I read somewhere (or I may have dreamt it) that Mother Teresa was a deep throat queen and she was servicing the troops on the front line during the 1981 Brixton riots. She may be a saint but she is a saint with big fricken calluses on her knees. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 13:06:49 GMT 7
I read somewhere that Hitler was actually a "good time fella" who was roundly misunderstood. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 13:11:59 GMT 7
I read somewhere that Hitler was actually a "good time fella" who was roundly misunderstood. He used to buy his mother flowers. |
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Post by AyG on Jan 12, 2017 13:24:35 GMT 7
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 13:25:16 GMT 7
I find it hard to determine which is the worst sort of violence - strapping bombs to someone's body and having them blow themselves up in a crowded market, killing lots of innocent victims, just to make some sort of statement, or to create fear, or as an act of recrimination. Or dropping tens of thousands of tonnes of bombs from 30,000 feet up, wiping out thousands of enemy targets as well as thousands of innocent victims. Collateral damage. I find it hard to condemn one without condemning the other. I hate the thought of both forms of violence. One could think the terrorists have shares in the armaments industry. Could be the next big conspiracy theory.  |
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