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Post by siampolee on Feb 25, 2017 10:55:53 GMT 7
Sadly the more I see of the comments in this thread the more I am reminded of the attitude and the arrogance of many posters in the other place.
O K the <Terry F_kwitt> comments are understandable but the blatant ''I am superior to you because I have money attitude therefore ''I am Holier than you'' attitude is indeed sad.
Be aware there are not so many average retired folk in the U K on weekly private incomes or pensions of 355+ pounds sterling a week.
The age group affected in many cases had no access to private pension schemes in the early periods of their working lives such matters did not become more common until they were into their late 30'' early 40's.
There are a good many U K citizens who have been here in Thailand and working for many years here too ,they too in many cases had no access to pension schemes. Although the international school do have such schemes they are of an age( some 20 years duration at the most) that those long term residents had no access to until late in their careers hence any pension income received is affected.
Also many of the aforementioned did not get yearly bonuses, yearly flights back to their home country, housing allowances, cars, drivers, education and medical insurances and company expenses etc.
So perhaps it would be time to look at those we left behind in the other place and ask ourselves, are you or are we really different to the moaners and groaners there who seem to think being English and wanting to return with your mixed race marriage partner and your mixed race children to the land of your birth is a criminal offence?
Strange how the U K lets all the other Rag Tag and Bobtail types with no connection or allegiance in with nary a comment from the authorities or the on line community, yet those with a connection and who have a contributed to society are regarded and treated as social pariahs by the authorities and a vocal minority of the community.
Shame on you for your resurrection the other place attitudes here.
Below is a current vacancy in my local U K area, note the salary level is for a full time position!!
00033263
Date Posted:
22/02/2017
Employer:
Cranfield University
Location:
Cranfield
Salary:
£19,130 to £21,323
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Education & Childcare; Office/Administration
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Post by smokie36 on Feb 25, 2017 11:08:09 GMT 7
I'm just going to sprinkle some Fairydust on this thread to make it all better.
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Post by AyG on Feb 25, 2017 11:17:35 GMT 7
Check out the £14,000 a year income level comment, with the engineer husband. A prime example of delusion. Her entire case is based upon her husband walking into an engineering job in the UK. Really? Wrong on so many levels. Uh, his husband. The husband would only need to earn GBP 4,600/year to reach the GBP 18,600 threshold which he could easily do - he wouldn't have to work as an engineer. This simply illustrates the inflexibility of the rules. (Oh, and it's not likely they're going to make babies together, so won't be a strain on the local hospital's maternity unit and schools.) |
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Post by onionluke on Feb 25, 2017 11:56:52 GMT 7
You'd think it was rocket science - Can you support your foreign spouse without recourse to the benefits system? Yes or no? Do you have a pension big enough to qualify for £18,600 income? Yes or no? If you are still working age, can you return to the UK in advance of your family and gain a job that qualifies the income level? Yes or no? Both my father and myself moved overseas in advance of our families. We both sent our families back in advance of our repatriation. We didn't rock up skint at Glasgow airport with our British born families. I would like to see an explanation from someone as to why they think they can turn up skint in the UK with a foreign family and expect the taxpayer to fund them. Foreign or not they are still family. I think a formula of combined incomes should be considered as these rulings also affect families already living in the UK. If the couple have enough money coming in to support themselves why not let them stay? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 13:29:28 GMT 7
Check out the £14,000 a year income level comment, with the engineer husband. A prime example of delusion. Her entire case is based upon her husband walking into an engineering job in the UK. Really? Wrong on so many levels. Uh, his husband. The husband would only need to earn GBP 4,600/year to reach the GBP 18,600 threshold which he could easily do - he wouldn't have to work as an engineer. This simply illustrates the inflexibility of the rules. (Oh, and it's not likely they're going to make babies together, so won't be a strain on the local hospital's maternity unit and schools.) I don't care if its his husband. There's only one British national in this equation and the British national has to show the ability to support. Simple. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 13:37:27 GMT 7
You'd think it was rocket science - Can you support your foreign spouse without recourse to the benefits system? Yes or no? Do you have a pension big enough to qualify for £18,600 income? Yes or no? If you are still working age, can you return to the UK in advance of your family and gain a job that qualifies the income level? Yes or no? Both my father and myself moved overseas in advance of our families. We both sent our families back in advance of our repatriation. We didn't rock up skint at Glasgow airport with our British born families. I would like to see an explanation from someone as to why they think they can turn up skint in the UK with a foreign family and expect the taxpayer to fund them. Foreign or not they are still family. I think a formula of combined incomes should be considered as these rulings also affect families already living in the UK. If the couple have enough money coming in to support themselves why not let them stay? Because the government watched hundreds of thousands of cases of people coming into the country and signing on. This rule wasn't plucked out of the sky. It was implemented to end chronic abuse of the welfare state. It is not unreasonable to ask a British national if THEY can support their foreign spouse without recourse to welfare. It is the responsibility of the British national, not the foreigner. |
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Post by rubl on Feb 25, 2017 13:43:38 GMT 7
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I'm afraid I have to agree with theBleth. Certainly in this the British government deals with the British national only. There's no legal relation between the British government and the foreign national.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 13:52:19 GMT 7
Sadly the more I see of the comments in this thread the more I am reminded of the attitude and the arrogance of many posters in the other place. O K the <Terry F_kwitt> comments are understandable but the blatant ''I am superior to you because I have money attitude therefore ''I am Holier than you'' attitude is indeed sad. Be aware there are not so many average retired folk in the U K on weekly private incomes or pensions of 355+ pounds sterling a week. The age group affected in many cases had no access to private pension schemes in the early periods of their working lives such matters did not become more common until they were into their late 30'' early 40's. There are a good many U K citizens who have been here in Thailand and working for many years here too ,they too in many cases had no access to pension schemes. Although the international school do have such schemes they are of an age( some 20 years duration at the most) that those long term residents had no access to until late in their careers hence any pension income received is affected. Also many of the aforementioned did not get yearly bonuses, yearly flights back to their home country, housing allowances, cars, drivers, education and medical insurances and company expenses etc. So perhaps it would be time to look at those we left behind in the other place and ask ourselves, are you or are we really different to the moaners and groaners there who seem to think being English and wanting to return with your mixed race marriage partner and your mixed race children to the land of your birth is a criminal offence? Strange how the U K lets all the other Rag Tag and Bobtail types with no connection or allegiance in with nary a comment from the authorities or the on line community, yet those with a connection and who have a contributed to society are regarded and treated as social pariahs by the authorities and a vocal minority of the community. Shame on you for your resurrection the other place attitudes here. Below is a current vacancy in my local U K area, note the salary level is for a full time position!! 00033263 Date Posted: 22/02/2017 Employer: Cranfield University Location: Cranfield Salary: £19,130 to £21,323 Sector: Education & Childcare; Office/Administration Job Type: Permanent The true arrogance comes from those that think the UK government doesn't have the right to refuse entry. |
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Post by smokie36 on Feb 25, 2017 13:53:02 GMT 7
I don't really understand the relationship between this thread and pensions.
Crikey when I hit 67 the last thing on my mind will be bringing my 21 year old Thai bar cherry to Inversneckie so she can sign on and I can have a few kids.
A hammock and a bottle or two of beer and a good book thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 13:56:09 GMT 7
Astounding how so many people think that their British passport gives them the automatic right to be immigration officers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 14:00:37 GMT 7
I don't really understand the relationship between this thread and pensions. Crikey when I hit 67 the last thing on my mind will be bringing my 21 year old Thai bar cherry to Inversneckie so she can sign on and I can have a few kids. A hammock and a bottle or two of beer and a good book thanks. I was in the British Embassy talking to staff the other week. "Best thing we ever did was contracting out visa applications." Guys on £7000 a year state pension trying to import hookers. Wtf |
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Post by rubl on Feb 25, 2017 14:01:11 GMT 7
I don't really understand the relationship between this thread and pensions. Crikey when I hit 67 the last thing on my mind will be bringing my 21 year old Thai bar cherry to Inversneckie so she can sign on and I can have a few kids. A hammock and a bottle or two of beer and a good book thanks. Hammock? Maybe need help to get into it, maybe gives you back problems. A bottle or two of beer? Bad for your blood pressure, Diabetise-II. Plus it make you need to get out of the hammock to go for a leak regularly. Good book? All kind of animals love that even if somewhat 'browned' in the sun. Please think again while you can  |
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Post by rubl on Feb 25, 2017 14:03:17 GMT 7
I don't really understand the relationship between this thread and pensions. Crikey when I hit 67 the last thing on my mind will be bringing my 21 year old Thai bar cherry to Inversneckie so she can sign on and I can have a few kids. A hammock and a bottle or two of beer and a good book thanks. I was in the British Embassy talking to staff the other week. "Best thing we ever did was contracting out visa applications." Guys on £7000 a year state pension trying to import hookers. Wtf I once heard a story of some Dutch chap coming to the local Chamber of Commerce with this really, really innovative idea for which he needed advise and maybe financial assistance. Starting a restaurant / bar with the love of his life |
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Post by AyG on Feb 25, 2017 14:08:36 GMT 7
It is not unreasonable to ask a British national if THEY can support their foreign spouse without recourse to welfare. It is the responsibility of the British national, not the foreigner. You describe the law. You don't describe justice. It should be a matter of whether the couple can support themselves - not whether the British national can support his or her, say, multimillionaire spouse. It would be a trivial matter legally to preclude the foreign spouse from receiving any welfare benefits. It would also be a trivial matter to give the couple a trial period, say a year, for the couple to prove they can between themselves earn the requisite GBP 18,600/year. The regulations as they stand simply defy any rational sense of fairness or rationality. Why, for example, are hundreds of thousands of Eastern Europeans with no connection to the country allowed to come to the UK to live on benefits and the proceeds of crime, but British citizens can't bring in their cherished partner? It's a nonsense. For that matter, what about all the economic migrants from Syria, Afghanistan, Somalia and Sudan? Why do they have a greater right to live in the UK than the South African engineer married to a UK citizen? I'm pretty damned certain which of those will earn the most, take least from the state, pay the most tax, and contribute most to society - and it's not the economic migrants. |
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Post by rubl on Feb 25, 2017 14:23:06 GMT 7
The problem with 'trivial' matters is that they are a. not trivial and b. subjective. That means those with the 'right' connections could possibly 'influence' the outcome.
Black vs. White as starting point makes sense.
EDIT probably understood, but to clarify. The black/white has nothing to do with race or politics, but all with a two choice scenario only.
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