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Post by rubl on Mar 19, 2017 13:33:35 GMT 7
Over the last couple of years in Thailand: No riots or bombs going off No "politians" dipping their hands in the till Infrastructure projects going on all over Although some kept telling me that only Bangkok suffered from riots and bombs, not having them helps all of Thailand I think. Certainly I don't look forward to that type of mess again. Nothing more ugly than a bunch of hyped-up fools, of any kind. As for hands-in-till, I had hopes in 2014 but I'm afraid old hands still there, news hands 'mustered on' and only slowly, very slowly progress. At times selective progress which suggests 'no progress' to me. Infrastructure going on. Now that's something which needs planning as you don't want to change 'tracks' halfway. Still it's ongoing. Personally I wonder about the need for high-speed links without possibility of dual passenger/cargo use, but I'm not the expert on this. I'd rather have dual track links which function even during the rainy season
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Post by AyG on Mar 19, 2017 13:42:16 GMT 7
But (as you suggest) is it the "right" infrastructure, or is it simply that which allows for the right people to get the best backhanders? We're more than 5 years on from the 2011 floods which caused 1,425 trillion baht (US$46.5 billion) in economic damages and losses according to the World Bank. And what has been done to prevent a recurrence? Nothing of any note. Surely this should have been a priority.
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Post by rubl on Mar 19, 2017 14:02:01 GMT 7
But (as you suggest) is it the "right" infrastructure, or is it simply that which allows for the right people to get the best backhanders? We're more than 5 years on from the 2011 floods which caused 1,425 trillion baht (US$46.5 billion) in economic damages and losses according to the World Bank. And what has been done to prevent a recurrence? Nothing of any note. Surely this should have been a priority. Dykes have been build ensuring that a new flood will leave factories dry like (isolated) Islands in the ocean. With the local geology I guess 'inklink' (depression?) has caused the dykes to become less high and a renewed effort (and money) is required. Up-to-a-point not different from what we do in the Netherlands, but we tend to make those 20-years plans with a bit less ad-hoc activities and try to reserve financing for many years to come. Also an every few years review may lead to minor adjustments and extending the plan beyond the original timeframe. It's a continuous battle and you need government and peoples mindset to ensure that continuity. Current plan has financing reserved till 2025 with reservations for later years being planned Note that even in the Netherlands after the 1953 flooding it took a few decades to complete a more permanent solution, with the 'permanent' very relative to environment changes, acceptable deaths per 100,000, financial affordability and so.
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Post by AyG on Mar 19, 2017 14:15:55 GMT 7
Dykes have been build ensuring that a new flood will leave factories dry like (isolated) Islands in the ocean. A year or so after the floods there was a press article, with an accompanying photo of Yingluck inspecting the dykes at an industrial estate near Bangkok. It was fake. My partner is very familiar with the industrial estate concerned, and there were no dykes. Pure propaganda. Also, how are dykes going to be effective with waterlogged soil, and water seeping under the dykes? In the Bangkok area the depth of bedrock varies from 400 to 800m. Major work is needed to divert floodwater away from the economically important capital, and it's not being done or, as far as I can see, planned.
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Post by rubl on Mar 19, 2017 14:24:47 GMT 7
Dykes have been build ensuring that a new flood will leave factories dry like (isolated) Islands in the ocean. A year or so after the floods there was a press article, with an accompanying photo of Yingluck inspecting the dykes at an industrial estate near Bangkok. It was fake. My partner is very familiar with the industrial estate concerned, and there were no dykes. Pure propaganda. Also, how are dykes going to be effective with waterlogged soil, and water seeping under the dykes? In the Bangkok area the depth of bedrock varies from 400 to 800m. Major work is needed to divert floodwater away from the economically important capital, and it's not being done or, as far as I can see, planned. Water retention was planned, is done with 'monkey cheeks'. When positioned after careful study this "room for the river" can be very effective. Also done in the Netherlands. www.ruimtevoorderivier.nl/english/As for fake dykes, no(t much) comment. I understand some ringdykes might still be 95% completed. One may be excused to wonder about the effectiveness. Of course, completed ringdykes which are too low may help to keep the water in, swimming pool like
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Post by Soutpeel on Mar 19, 2017 14:31:53 GMT 7
Over the last couple of years in Thailand: No riots or bombs going off No "politians" dipping their hands in the till Infrastructure projects going on all over Although some kept telling me that only Bangkok suffered from riots and bombs, not having them helps all of Thailand I think. Certainly I don't look forward to that type of mess again. Nothing more ugly than a bunch of hyped-up fools, of any kind. As for hands-in-till, I had hopes in 2014 but I'm afraid old hands still there, news hands 'mustered on' and only slowly, very slowly progress. At times selective progress which suggests 'no progress' to me. Infrastructure going on. Now that's something which needs planning as you don't want to change 'tracks' halfway. Still it's ongoing. Personally I wonder about the need for high-speed links without possibility of dual passenger/cargo use, but I'm not the expert on this. I'd rather have dual track links which function even during the rainy season Well in BKK ongoing expansion of the Sky train down near Phahonyothin/Ladprao been needed for years in that area Motorway network being expanded out Pattaya / Rayong way, even a bigger road being put into Utapao airport
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Post by rubl on Mar 19, 2017 14:36:38 GMT 7
Although some kept telling me that only Bangkok suffered from riots and bombs, not having them helps all of Thailand I think. Certainly I don't look forward to that type of mess again. Nothing more ugly than a bunch of hyped-up fools, of any kind. As for hands-in-till, I had hopes in 2014 but I'm afraid old hands still there, news hands 'mustered on' and only slowly, very slowly progress. At times selective progress which suggests 'no progress' to me. Infrastructure going on. Now that's something which needs planning as you don't want to change 'tracks' halfway. Still it's ongoing. Personally I wonder about the need for high-speed links without possibility of dual passenger/cargo use, but I'm not the expert on this. I'd rather have dual track links which function even during the rainy season Well in BKK ongoing expansion of the Sky train down near Phahonyothin/Ladprao been needed for years in that area Motorway network being expanded out Pattaya / Rayong way, even a bigger road being put into Utapao airport Some in another forum accused me and the Thai government of only thinking about Bangkok. In a way a bit like 'London has it all'. To promote industrial activities elsewhere in the country, especially in the areas where farming might always be problematic you need infrastructure. Maybe less than before the Internet, but you still need roads, tracks, aeroports. Not really a typical Thai problem though.
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Post by AyG on Mar 19, 2017 15:24:54 GMT 7
From today's Bangkok Post:
"... of 1.3-plus trillion baht budgeted in the past two years for big infrastructure, just 26.6 billion has been spent".
Sclerotic.
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