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Post by rgs2001uk on Apr 20, 2015 21:53:46 GMT 7
Hey,come on,they eat a hell of a lot of mama noodles. Now now credit where credits due, sometimes they vary it, Wi Wi and Yam Yam. Never mind the TEFLr types what about the Pinoy types, even worse, cant understand a word they say, WTF is one, two, tree all about?
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Post by curtaintwitcher on Apr 20, 2015 21:58:27 GMT 7
n. Of course there are "success" stories: lifers who work their way up to 45K-50K after 20 years in a tacky bedsit, for example, or who work 7 days a week with classes and privates to enjoy a standard of living most indentured servants would spurn. Who are the truly forward-thinking, then? Those who worked in high-salary countries and vacationed here as frequently as they liked and ultimately retired here with a solid income, a relaxed and comfortable lifestyle and far fewer worries when the sun goes down. Or 65k and all the Preggo you can heat up on a single burner. Now that's living. ...some folks have all the luck...
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Post by rgs2001uk on Apr 20, 2015 22:41:55 GMT 7
Dont forget the crap, it will buy you respect in the local community.
Too be honest, I really dont care what Somchai thinks of me and my family.
Was offered a job a couple of years ago, 98k per month, no thanks, dont need the hassle or brown nosing, the daft Canadian guy tells he is an "entertainer" not a teacher, when I asked him, who in their right mind would be so desperate to stay here for such a pittnace, he looked down on me with one of those TEFLr looks, I offered to set him up with a proper job with a proper salary, he didnt have the qualificaions to match it.
His mrs was a right stuck up snob, had to laugh when she started screwing around, he soon effed off with his tail between his legs.
Living the dream, eff that.
Can someone please tell me, why the eff do these types tell me they live in the 'real Thailand', waiting for the free number 60 big red bus, eating kao man gai at some smelly roadside noodle stall, wearing cheapo Bata 200 baht shoes with no heels, effin manky smelly white shirt, and shiny ass black pants, dont forget the ubiquitous shoulder bag with the out of date lap top full of Pan Thip software.
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Post by The Arrow on Apr 21, 2015 1:07:59 GMT 7
I think to teach English to Thai kids you should at least be able to speak Thai as well. Can't understand how all that works without it and I think it's short changing the kids if the teacher can't. I've known "English teachers" in Thailand who wouldn't pass GCSE English in the UK.
I've been offered teaching jobs in Thailand, sciences mostly, but my Thai only passes for basic Klingon. Even after all these years. I'm not the sharpest tool in the box see. In truth I'm quite a stupid person.
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Post by smokie36 on Apr 21, 2015 1:18:18 GMT 7
I wonder how you can command any respect in the staff room never mind the classroom if you can't speak Thai as a teacher in a Thai school? I'd think a decent grasp of Thai to be essential if I were ever to do that kind of thing. I prefer to stick to doing things I am actually qualified to do....maybe I'm needing to drink my Ovaltine and rant about the youth of today.... Must be good fun for the 20 somethings...i know of a couple who did it...TEFLers with proper degrees who came to bangkok and had a ball....so it can be done and enjoyed....but they need to view it more as a student conversational English thing rather than being a proper teacher. The longer term ones should really be speaking Thai and teaching in a much more structured manner....some do....but many fail. Funny thing is....English is taught to British kids phonetically....usually by mothers using a box of words and simple books....but they don't do that in Thailand.... well....what can I say?
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Post by curtaintwitcher on Apr 21, 2015 6:36:25 GMT 7
I think to teach English to Thai kids you should at least be able to speak Thai as well. ...a trained language teacher brings the students to the language through engaging activities, clear classroom goals, sound learning strategies and appropriate support and testing: the classroom is frequently the only place a student will have the opportunity to speak English. The less Thai used in language teaching, the better. The language might be useful in the staff room among Thai colleagues and for keeping up to date with notices, special events, etc. However, do you really want to know what a local teacher on 15K thinks of the farang on 30K for a similar workload?
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Post by ATF on Apr 21, 2015 6:52:19 GMT 7
I think to teach English to Thai kids you should at least be able to speak Thai as well. Can't understand how all that works without it and I think it's short changing the kids if the teacher can't. I've known "English teachers" in Thailand who wouldn't pass GCSE English in the UK. I've been offered teaching jobs in Thailand, sciences mostly, but my Thai only passes for basic Klingon. Even after all these years. I'm not the sharpest tool in the box see. In truth I'm quite a stupid person. Berlitz have a very good language system which is taught using pictures they also rotate the teachers so the students get used to different accents. Surprisingly they prefer people without higher qualifications because they will follow their system better. The Rosetta Stone computer language courses work in a similar way with pictures.
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Post by curtaintwitcher on Apr 21, 2015 7:07:33 GMT 7
I think to teach English to Thai kids you should at least be able to speak Thai as well. Can't understand how all that works without it and I think it's short changing the kids if the teacher can't. I've known "English teachers" in Thailand who wouldn't pass GCSE English in the UK. I've been offered teaching jobs in Thailand, sciences mostly, but my Thai only passes for basic Klingon. Even after all these years. I'm not the sharpest tool in the box see. In truth I'm quite a stupid person. Berlitz have a very good language system which is taught using pictures they also rotate the teachers so the students get used to different accents. Surprisingly they prefer people without higher qualifications because they will follow their system better. The Rosetta Stone computer language courses work in a similar way with pictures. not so surprising when you realize cheaper teachers=greater profits for Berlitz
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Post by Mosha on Apr 21, 2015 7:36:19 GMT 7
I think to teach English to Thai kids you should at least be able to speak Thai as well. Can't understand how all that works without it and I think it's short changing the kids if the teacher can't. I've known "English teachers" in Thailand who wouldn't pass GCSE English in the UK. I've been offered teaching jobs in Thailand, sciences mostly, but my Thai only passes for basic Klingon. Even after all these years. I'm not the sharpest tool in the box see. In truth I'm quite a stupid person. If the Thais teaching English could speak English, that would be better. Out of all the village schools that have sent teachers to the house, demanding my presence at their schools. Not one could tell me in English. They only got the not interested message when I showed the visa. No work permitted.
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Post by curtaintwitcher on Apr 21, 2015 8:20:00 GMT 7
I think to teach English to Thai kids you should at least be able to speak Thai as well. Can't understand how all that works without it and I think it's short changing the kids if the teacher can't. I've known "English teachers" in Thailand who wouldn't pass GCSE English in the UK. I've been offered teaching jobs in Thailand, sciences mostly, but my Thai only passes for basic Klingon. Even after all these years. I'm not the sharpest tool in the box see. In truth I'm quite a stupid person. If the Thais teaching English could speak English, that would be better. Out of all the village schools that have sent teachers to the house, demanding my presence at their schools. Not one could tell me in English. They only got the not interested message when I showed the visa. No work permitted. this post opens the door to another aspect of the Thai "educational system": the training of its teachers, perhaps the most fundamental aspect of those in the Ed Biz.
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Post by Phil on Apr 21, 2015 8:59:24 GMT 7
Not really sure why anyone would get up at 6am, teach, mark, planning, wear a suit in 35 degree weather, travel on a bike, moto taxi in all weathers or BTS and spend 10 hours in a classroom for 25,000 baht, whilst living in paradise???
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Post by thaddeus on Apr 21, 2015 9:30:30 GMT 7
If the Thais teaching English could speak English, that would be better. Out of all the village schools that have sent teachers to the house, demanding my presence at their schools. Not one could tell me in English. They only got the not interested message when I showed the visa. No work permitted. this post opens the door to another aspect of the Thai "educational system": the training of its teachers, perhaps the most fundamental aspect of those in the Ed Biz. Around two years ago I was asked to help with a little scheme in the large government school in my Amphur (wife of a friend is a fairly high-up teacher there) I, and two other westerners were tasked with helping the Thai English language teachers and their students with pronunciation (P4-P6 age range). Sounded like an easy job. In the first ten minutes of the first class it became staggeringly apparent that pronunciation was the least of their problems. The first one was, the kids had just memorised how to say the answers to questions in number order i.e. 1. What is your name? 2. Where do you live? 3. How old are you? 4. How do get to school? Ask them the third question first and they would tell you their name. The largest problem by far was that the Thai teacher either didn't know how to teach or was there just to pick up his salary. I had a rather blunt conversation with him one day (in the first week) I told him that if I asked one of the kids, How old are you? if he/she says ''I am nine years old'' that gets three green ticks, if they say ''I am nine'' that gets two, if they just say ''Nine'' it still gets a tick. They have listened to the question, they have understood it, and they have answered correctly. If they say ''I ride my bicycle'' that is a massive red X and how well they have pronounced it is of no import at all. My two cohorts in this ambitious project both reached the same conclusion at the same time, and we turned it on its head, we started teaching basic conversational English, I probably learned more Thai in that period than I had in the previous eight years of living here (to teach the English I just had to learn the Thai for it) We made some real progress, and the kids loved it, well, the eager ones anyway, at lunch time we would be mobbed by the really eager ones the parents were also very happy with us, the number of smiles and thank you's I got on the local market showed a significant increase. Did that in one term, however, because we arrived on time every day, never called in sick, never turned up drunk, were bright shinning and willing at the start of every class, and were making noticeable headway, needless to say, we were not invited back for a second term. I feel really sorry for the young teachers here (both Thai and western, qualifications are not relevant) who start with vim and vigour and a real desire to teach, most of the kids will bring you joy, but the Thai educational system will quickly beat that desire out of you.
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Post by thaddeus on Apr 21, 2015 9:43:18 GMT 7
Not really sure why anyone would get up at 6am, teach, mark, planning, wear a suit in 35 degree weather, travel on a bike, moto taxi in all weathers or BTS and spend 10 hours in a classroom for 25,000 baht, whilst living in paradise??? Probably because there are some people who just want to make a difference. I understand how some people can't understand that. (see the last post on the previous page)
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Post by curtaintwitcher on Apr 21, 2015 10:54:18 GMT 7
this post opens the door to another aspect of the Thai "educational system": the training of its teachers, perhaps the most fundamental aspect of those in the Ed Biz. I feel really sorry for the young teachers here (both Thai and western, qualifications are not relevant) who start with vim and vigour and a real desire to teach, most of the kids will bring you joy, but the Thai educational system will quickly beat that desire out of you. ...beg to differ: appropriate qualifications are relevant. Very few prospective teachers know how to set classroom goals, select strategies that are likely to produce the desired language, know how to grow the use of language in a classroom and understand how to test appropriately. All this is aside from the normal frustrations teachers must face: unsupportive and possibly suspicious admin, defeatist school policies, problem learners, frequent interruptions for the usual inanities, visa difficulties and the heat and mire we are all exposed to on a daily basis...
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Post by Soutpeel on Apr 21, 2015 11:13:09 GMT 7
Not really sure why anyone would get up at 6am, teach, mark, planning, wear a suit in 35 degree weather, travel on a bike, moto taxi in all weathers or BTS and spend 10 hours in a classroom for 25,000 baht, whilst living in paradise??? Probably because there are some people who just want to make a difference. I understand how some people can't understand that. (see the last post on the previous page) Is it because they are trying to make a difference or are they doing it because they want to stay in Thailand at all cost and this is the only way they can do it ? Contrary to what people think I don't have a problem with teachers per se, but what I do have have a problem with in my limited exposure exposure to farang teachers in Thailand is the attitude some of them have all pumped up with their own self importance and they start trying to lecture people, to be honest the few I have come across over the years here have come very close to getting a punch in mouth because of their attitudes
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