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Post by rubl on Feb 9, 2018 22:21:00 GMT 7
In the Netherlands there was a warning to dress up good for carnaval. Mind you, with 2C, some snow/slate and wind that's a good advise. Our Bleth on the other hand will probably enjoy the more ingenious costumes Brazilians use to 'cover' themselves
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2018 0:13:03 GMT 7
In the Netherlands there was a warning to dress up good for carnaval. Mind you, with 2C, some snow/slate and wind that's a good advise. Our Bleth on the other hand will probably enjoy the more ingenious costumes Brazilians use to 'cover' themselves I concur.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2018 0:23:32 GMT 7
Ii didn't bother going to Copacabana today, on advice from a travel agent. The agent said the Samba School parade is too touristy and fake, she said better to walk the streets around where I am, Copacabana, and Ipanema during the three days of carnival. The street scene is far more vibrant and natural in her opinion.
I've seen a few sporadic outbursts of partying in the last twenty-four hours. The first I noticed was a group of young adults who were drowned in various colour paints, head to toe in the stuff, and having tug-of-war contests in the street. Every victory resulted in mass celebration and an impromptu samba. Great.
Most businesses are closing this afternoon and will reopen next Thursday. I can see the street bars, of which there are many, filling up around me. The supermarkets are busting at the seams and there's that air of anticipation everywhere.
I hear the main action starts Sunday and finishes on Tuesday ( Ash Tuesday of course ). I've extended my stay in Rio until next Friday - I'm delighted with my hotel and the area I'm staying. It's not a tourist location per se, it's a bit down-at-heel but I like that. It feels real.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 1:20:03 GMT 7
Had to move hotel today and it's a culture shock. I've been given someome's bedroom in a homestay type set up. This place ain't what I thought I was getting. On the bright side, the environment seems to be more vibrant, with people mingling and chatting. I need to move again in a couple of days, then I can go back to my original hotel.
The streets are alive, Any red-blooded male would enjoy seeing the bikini babes wandering the streets in partial fancy dress. Thousands up in thousands of them. Think Songkran without the water, what a party this us and it doesn't really kick off until tomorrow.
I've broken my drink drought, had a few beers last night right outside my hotel. My thinking was I was safe enough cos hotel security could see me. I'll not say the risk factor is overstated, but I find the vibe to friendly enough and relaxed. I experienced more street aggression in Mexico ( aggressive beggars ). English language skills are poor, I know a bit of Spanish to I can work out what's being said most of the time. Portuguese is similar to Spanish.
Another unexpected problem is the lack of currency exchange places. It looks like I'll need to go to Copacabana to access them. There's none where I am. On top of that, I see and hear that a lot of the ATM'S and credit card machines are not linked to international banks. Two hotels I'm using can't debit my cards.
I'm not being smart saying this. For all people criticise the Thai tourist industry and structure, it's world class compared to every other developing country I've been to. And that includes English language ability, The Thais are much maligned in this regard, but you'll be hard-pushed to find many that can converse in English in Rio.
In saying that, surely Copacabana will be different? I'm spending the day there tomorrow, we'll see. And for the first time on this holiday, I'll be on a festival of photo taking. I need to balance the risk of loss against the certainty of losing out by being too cautious, if that makes sense.
ps. I'm 9 hours behind Thai time ( I think ).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 10:40:20 GMT 7
Cost - large bottled beers ( 600 ml ) tend to be around 90 baht. Heineken a little more, 120 baht. Pizzas around 400 baht for large, hamburgers around £2.50. I haven't had either so don't know the quality. Fruit and veg tends to be around 50 baht a kilo for each variety.
My original hotel is excellent value, great room, brand new, large and with an excellent hot shower. Around 1500 baht a night. Hotel rates have spiked due to carnival so I'm paying more tonight for a place which is easily the worst "hotel," I've stayed in since Penang in 2010.
I haven't been clubbing. I understand entry to clubs and pricing is expensive. I think that's to keep out the riff-raff, another observation, this is the most casually racially mixed country I have ever seen. There are tons of interracial people walking around. I've only noticed two Asians, one looked Japanese, the other Thai. While the people mix well, I can see a racial structure to the country. The street dwellers are predominantly black. There's a smattering of Hispanics on the streets, every one of them I've seen has clear mental health issues.
The blacks are always on the prowl collecting cans etc - recycling is one of the few ways they earn. I see street cafe's encouraging the recyclers. Too me if looks like a fair wee partnership, one gets the cash for recycling, the other doesn't get their customers harassed. There's a few low-key vendors around, the same as you see in bars in Thailand. Pleasant to deal with, they don't harass customers.
If they could sort the crime rate out, this would be a prime holiday destination,
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 3:56:17 GMT 7
Copacabana
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Post by 3 on Feb 12, 2018 4:19:23 GMT 7
Show us some oiled up girls from Ipanema please, there's plenty of sand and water on the local golf UK courses
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 4:53:15 GMT 7
Show us some oiled up girls from Ipanema please, there's plenty of sand and water on the local golf UK courses I did post one earlier but no one was bothered. I'll go there tomorrow.
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Post by 3 on Feb 12, 2018 6:47:46 GMT 7
It was noticed and yes she's pretty hot
How does the personal safety aspect feel compared to Thailand or Mexico?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 15:24:40 GMT 7
It was noticed and yes she's pretty hot How does the personal safety aspect feel compared to Thailand or Mexico? Thailand is far better - I'd say Mexico is worse. I had a few problems with aggressive beggars in Mexico, that hasn't happened here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 15:24:54 GMT 7
Rio - meh. The locals told me they don't like the carnival. I was amazed to hear that. I can see why now. The big parade is overpriced and too stage-managed. The street parties are mobbed with virtually zero toilet facilities. The stench of urine is appalling. I think the Carnival is a victim of it's own success. Copacabana beach is top class, but they have you terrified about safety on the beach. Sugar Loaf mountain is the Godfather 3 of tourist attractions. All hype, then you're kept waiting for ages in the stifling heat, packed into a cable car ( two different cars to be exact ) to then get a mundane view that you would get from local hotel windows. The best bit in Godfather 3 was when the daughter got shot ( for crimes against acting - they should have shot her at the start of the film ). There are times in the queue for Sugar Loaf you wish someone would put you out of your misery.
To be fair, I haven't felt unsafe while here. Maybe cos I'm a big guy - and I've made a point of avoiding dodgy situs. I've enjoyed Rio more on non-carnival days. Today was enjoyable walking around a great park and shopping area. The main centre is interesting, and there's some cracking museums and buildings. Santa Teresa suburb is very Bohemian and lovely. The street bar culture is decent too, while the nightclubs and Samba dance halls are way too expensive. I met Brazilians who live in London that could not believe the nightclubs here were so expensive.
The hotel I'm in just now is good, and good value. Some of yiu may have read my review of the shambolic hotel I was in at the weekend - I won't hold that against Rio, that's an example of dire places being booked because of Carnival demand. The food I've been served in Brazil has not been great, with a couple of exceptions. There's a lot if people sleeping on the streets here, and I wonder how they survive as food prices, even in supermarkets, tend to be pricey. Brazil could be doing with Lidl or Aldi. Be thankful for what you have. The Brazilians I mentioned earlier also said they don't know how the poor survive due to the prices.
If you get the choice, Thailand is far better. Songkran ( that's Thai New Year ) is better than the carnival. And both places are rioughly the same direct flight time. I wouldn't say don't come here - but there are far better places to visit, cheaper, safer, and closer to home. Rio? 5/10 -should be a lot better.
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Post by mudcrab on Feb 18, 2018 23:51:10 GMT 7
Get on a bus and go further south...Florianopolis or even better Blumenau. Said to have the most beautiful white skinned women in the world. Basically due to the German and Russians going there after the second world war. Some stunning 6 foot blue eyed Brazilian girls there. Or closer to Rio try Curitiba....check out the Jazillian ladies...Japanese/Brazillian heritage...beautiful.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 0:31:21 GMT 7
Get on a bus and go further south...Florianopolis or even better Blumenau. Said to have the most beautiful white skinned women in the world. Basically due to the German and Russians going there after the second world war. Some stunning 6 foot blue eyed Brazilian girls there. Or closer to Rio try Curitiba....check out the Jazillian ladies...Japanese/Brazillian heritage...beautiful. I'm heading to Uruguay tomorrow night. I agree with the beautiful women comment - some of the women you see here are jaw-dropping. I stood at the airport the other day and was joined in the queue with a woman who would shame Angelina Jolie. Tall, elegant, stunning - seeing is believing. I'd agree that the best here would rival the best in the world. However - This is a sorry place. Yes, spend the money and get away from the riff-raff and poor, and you'll have an outstanding experience. The thing is, you can do that anywhere. They're ain't that many ugly women on the yachts in Marbella, or on the ski slopes of Verbier. Money attracts beautiful women. Walking the streets here is a sad experience - here's the review I put on my FB account Rio - meh. The locals told me they don't like the carnival. I was amazed to hear that. I can see why now. The big parade is overpriced and too stage-managed. The street parties are mobbed with virtually zero toilet facilities. The stench of urine is appalling. I think the Carnival is a victim of it's own success. Copacabana beach is top class, but they have you terrified about safety on the beach. Sugar Loaf mountain is the Godfather 3 of tourist attractions. All hype, then you're kept waiting for ages in the stifling heat, packed into a cable car ( two different cars to be exact ) to then get a mundane view that you would get from local hotel windows. The best bit in Godfather 3 was when the daughter got shot ( for crimes against acting - they should have shot her at the start of the film ). There are times in the queue for Sugar Loaf you wish someone would put you out of your misery. To be fair, I haven't felt unsafe while here. Maybe cos I'm a big guy - and I've made a point of avoiding dodgy situs. I've enjoyed Rio more on non-carnival days. Today was enjoyable walking around a great park and shopping area. The main centre is interesting, and there's some cracking museums and buildings. Santa Teresa suburb is very Bohemian and lovely. The street bar culture is decent too, while the nightclubs and Samba dance halls are way too expensive. I met Brazilians who live in London that could not believe the nightclubs here were so expensive. The hotel I'm in just now is good, and good value. Some of you may have read my review of the shambolic hotel I was in at the weekend - I won't hold that against Rio, that's an example of dire places being booked because of Carnival demand. The food I've been served in Brazil has not been great, with a couple of exceptions. There's a lot if people sleeping on the streets here, and I wonder how they survive as food prices, even in supermarkets, tend to be pricey. Brazil could be doing with Lidl or Aldi. Be thankful for what you have. The Brazilians I mentioned earlier also said they don't know how the poor survive due to the prices. If you get the choice, Thailand is far better. Songkran ( that's Thai New Year ) is better than the carnival. And both places are roughly the same direct flight time. I wouldn't say don't come here - but there are far better places to visit, cheaper, safer, and closer to home. Rio? 5/10 -should be a lot better.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 0:58:32 GMT 7
** The shambolic hotel I mentioned - I had no choice due to booking my accommodation in November, I had to leave my original ( and great hotel ) for three nights then move back. The reviews I read about this place were fine, good enough - but here's my experience -
I'm not in the habit of unleashing on hotels. In this case, I will make an exception. A list follows -
1. Someone had kicked a hole in my bedroom door. I couldn't lock it.
2. The house cat decided that it would sleep on my bed - as I was unable to lock the door, or even secure it, whenever I left the room that cat pushed its way in.
3. My room appeared to belong to someone else. Every drawer was full of someone's possessions. It appears it was a domestic bedroom that was rented to extra money at Carnival period.
4. I'm an experienced man. I was woken at 7.00 a.m. on Sunday morning by the sound of the female member of staff ranting. This loud rant went on for three hours. It was clear to me, after looking at her, that she was coming down from a drug-induced high. The two male members of staff looked intimidated by her. They were also embarrassed when they saw my disdain for this clownish performance.
5 The state of the bedding was poor, however, the state of the mattress was appalling - filthy.
6. I was in bed on Monday morning and a male member of staff walked into the room. He had forgotten that I was staying there and was in to use my toilet facilities.
7. When I went for a shower, I found that the cat had defecated on the shower drain. A big massive blob, the stench was repulsive. After the staff member cleaned it up - an hour after being requested, I had to shower wearing flip-flops as he had not used any type of cleaning chemical to wash the shower base.
8. I was barricaded INSIDE THE HOUSE on Sunday evening. I have no idea why the house was locked up with a chair against the front door. To make it worse, this facility does not give you a key to the security gate or front door. I heard a young lady calling for attention from the staff late one evening, she had to stand in the street until someone woke up to let her in.
This, in a street where the night before police had arrested three youths for mugging a married couple on twenty metres away from where this girl was now standing alone, at 2.00 a.m. By the time I got out of my bed, dressed, and went to assist her the staff member had woken from his slumbers and let her through the security gate. Ridiculous that she was left so vulnerable even for a minute, never mind the lengthier time it took for assistance to arrive.
Avoid this place.
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Post by smokie36 on Feb 19, 2018 5:23:25 GMT 7
I arranged the chair to keep you out of the pub.
Sorry bout that.
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