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Post by rott on Mar 15, 2019 13:15:36 GMT 7
New generation of random murderers, "we mustn't forget to put it online". FFS.
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Post by rubl on Mar 15, 2019 13:45:54 GMT 7
Crazy people everywhere. An Austrialian mad man involved, possibly some Indonesians. From Yahoo's running news page "7 PM. Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison has confirmed that one of the four people taken into custody in New Zealand's mosque shootings is an Australian. A man who claimed responsibility for the shootings said in a manifesto that he was a 28-year-old white Australian who came to New Zealand only to plan and train for the attack. New Zealand police said they had arrested four people. Morrison on Friday confirmed one of those who were arrested was an Australian-born citizen. He said Australian authorities were assisting with the investigation. Morrison said Australians were shocked, appalled and outraged by the attack. He described the gunman as "an extremist, right-wing, violent terrorist."" "6:20 p.m. Indonesia's foreign minister says six Indonesians were at the Al Noor Mosque in New Zealand when a shooting occurred and three of them escaped. Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi said, "We are looking for three other Indonesian citizens." Police have described multiple fatalities in shootings at two mosques in the city of Christchurch and say four people are in custody." sg.news.yahoo.com/latest-2nd-mosque-shooting-reported-zealand-024350792.html
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Post by AyG on Mar 15, 2019 13:48:59 GMT 7
If this were an attack by Moslems we'd already be hearing "oh, they're mentally ill". Since it's not, we're not.
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Post by rubl on Mar 15, 2019 14:35:30 GMT 7
If this were an attack by Moslems we'd already be hearing "oh, they're mentally ill". Since it's not, we're not. Well, if it pleases you, let me tell you that those Indonesians were suffering greatly and didn't need much push from a great white one.
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Post by AyG on Mar 15, 2019 15:10:37 GMT 7
If this were an attack by Moslems we'd already be hearing "oh, they're mentally ill". Since it's not, we're not. Well, if it pleases you, let me tell you that those Indonesians were suffering greatly and didn't need much push from a great white one. Sorry. Your comment is far too cryptic. "Indonesians were suffering"? "A great white one"? To what are you alluding?
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Post by siampolee on Mar 15, 2019 18:56:55 GMT 7
Probably a comment concerning the Indonesians delightful experiences of being under the iron clog of the Dutch.
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Post by Mosha on Mar 15, 2019 20:06:59 GMT 7
NZ muslims are only 1% of the population (a 28% increase since 2006) They are still at stage 1, play the victimisation card.
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Post by rubl on Mar 15, 2019 21:54:22 GMT 7
NZ muslims are only 1% of the population (a 28% increase since 2006) They are still at stage 1, play the victimisation card. Well, thanks to that Ozzie chap and his merry band of Indonesians playing the victim with 40 death and two dozen wounded is easy. BTW to put things in perspective in 2013 1.13% of the population identified as Moslim, no religion 44%. 2013 census showed a population of 4,242,048. PS if you had two people of a certain faith and a few years later four that would mean an increase of 100%. Awsome what you can do with figures.
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Post by rubl on Mar 15, 2019 22:14:17 GMT 7
Probably a comment concerning the Indonesians delightful experiences of being under the iron clog of the Dutch. Still wondering if the Dutch were worse or better on average as colonial masters. Mind you, views on what is permissible and what not has changed a bit over the years. So, it's relative you might say Fact remains that after WWII in the 'decolonalisation' process which wasn't real civilised, about 250,000 to 300,000 people repatriated to the Netherlands, till about 1967. You could split them in three main groups. First those with a Dutch person somewhere in their family tree, a group of Chinese and a group from Ambon. The Chinese already had doubts about Pres. Sukarno (just like the USA) and used the opportunity to get out. The third group was a leftover from the local army KNIL who opted to go to the Netherlands 'temporarily' around 1950. The Dutch government made promises of 'return when the right time' but didn't have any say or power to enforce such return. One of the main reason for the two terror attacks in the mid-70tish. Up-to-a-point you might say the Netherlands was lucky that the relation with its colony had soured to the point that not too many Indonesians wanted to come to the Netherlands. Maybe should even thank the Japanese who early on fostered the idea of an independent Indonesia (albeit within the Japanese Co-prosperity Sphere of course). Anyway, the reference to Indonesians and a great whitey was regarding the topic with an Australian and three Indonesian apprehended and possibly three more Indonesians on the run. Details how these people relate I haven't got yet. No doubt we'll hear a bit more tomorrow.
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Post by chiangmai on Mar 16, 2019 6:02:06 GMT 7
NZ muslims are only 1% of the population (a 28% increase since 2006) They are still at stage 1, play the victimisation card. Kinda like the Christians in the Roman Empire perhaps, they played a similar card!
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Post by rubl on Mar 16, 2019 8:58:05 GMT 7
Maybe not a 'great' whitey, but looks like a real Ozzie chap of Anglo-Saxon decent. He appeared in court in white prison clothing, handcuffed and barefoot. "New Zealand shooting: suspect Brenton Tarrant in court charged with murder" sg.news.yahoo.com/zealand-shooting-suspect-brenton-tarrant-233315068.htmlBTW here an interesting read "How European ideas motivated Christchurch killer The self-described ‘fascist’ may have picked up ideas during a trip to France in 2017. ... Demographers have dismissed the great replacement idea as racist and non-scientific. Yet the basic notion, which has its roots in racial science from the 1930s and anti-Semitic writing from the Nazi era, remains attractive to some thanks to its deceptive simplicity. ... For political scientist Jean-Yves Camus (no relation to the great replacement theorist), Tarrant is first and foremost a hardcore white supremacist, as suggested by his embrace of the 14-word pledge: “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.” A vision of the world that proclaims white or Aryan people to be superior to other groups is more extreme than the ideas of Le Pen or even Camus, and spoke to the killer's radicalization in dark corners of the web, said the analyst. But there is no doubt the period in Europe filled up his ideological toolkit. Admiring references to British fascist Oswald Mosley, his worship of Norwegian mass-killer Anders Breivik and his description of himself as a “fascist” all point to an ideology that was forged in a European crucible, and an attack that responded to perceived circumstances in Europe." www.politico.eu/article/christchurch-new-zealand-muslim-how-european-ideas-motivated-killer/
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Post by Mosha on Mar 16, 2019 9:39:51 GMT 7
UK announces extra patrols to safeguard mosques. If it's as effective as stopping the knife attacks, they're buggered.
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Post by rubl on Mar 16, 2019 9:49:21 GMT 7
After all the right wing stoking of fear, it's of course others who are to be blamed. The victims for instance. "Australian lawmaker blames mosque slaughter on 'increasing Muslim presence' A right-wing member of the Australian parliament blamed the murder of 49 people at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, on Muslim immigration. "I am utterly opposed to any form of violence within our community, and I totally condemn the actions of the gunman," said Queensland Sen. Fraser Anning in a written statement. "However, whilst this kind of violent vigilantism can never be justified, what it highlights is the growing fear within our community, both in Australia and New Zealand, of the increasing Muslim presence." ... “The real cause of bloodshed on New Zealand streets today is the immigration program, which allowed Muslim fanatics to migrate to New Zealand in the first place." ..." news.yahoo.com/christchurch-mosque-shooting-australian-mp-muslims-144820837.htmlBTW Although Pres. Trump condemned the attack in Christchurch, in a breitbart interview one or two days ago he said "“I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of Bikers for Trump. I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad.” " Probably nothing to do with terrorists, only with the Mueller report
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Post by AyG on Mar 16, 2019 9:51:11 GMT 7
^^^ What would be far more effective (and cheaper to the tax payer) is to close all the mosques ... permanently.
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Post by oldie on Mar 16, 2019 9:59:24 GMT 7
He's in for a flogging when he gets to jail, and I don't mean by the Muslims. Those Maoris are huge and they won't like some twat causing trouble in their yard.
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