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Post by rott on Mar 18, 2019 13:07:22 GMT 7
Not disputing the giving of the wafer and wine but were you under the impression that the Minister had magically changed this into the body and blood of Christ?
As you find the subject as fascinating as I do I will add a bit more.
In an RC mass the congregation do not get the wine in case they spill some. (This would be spilling the blood of Christ apparently).
Until the 14th century the congregation only participated once a year, prior to that the priests celebrated it behind curtains.
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Post by chiangmai on Mar 18, 2019 13:25:09 GMT 7
"were you under the impression that the Minister had magically changed this into the body and blood of Christ?"
Symbolic of course, take eat for this is my body/drink for this is the covenant etc etc.
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Post by chiangmai on Mar 18, 2019 19:35:34 GMT 7
I see that the copy cats are coming out of their foxholes, a couple in the UK and in The Netherlands also, one imagines there will be reporting restrictions if too many events take place. I wonder if they really understand what it's all about or have they simply become empowered by media coverage of Christchurch and the Facebook replays....lemmings I suppose.
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Post by siampolee on Mar 18, 2019 20:57:01 GMT 7
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Post by rgs2001uk on Mar 18, 2019 21:06:19 GMT 7
I've been watching a series on Netflix about the Vietnam war and it's excellent. Despite having read much about the subject and the war being a focus of my life for many years I had never managed to step back far enough to put things into perspective and this Netflix series managed to do that in just the first episode. I had understood only too well all the components of the war and other global events that were taking place at the time but I hadn't properly joined up the dots . Watching the series the coin dropped when the narrator said something along the lines of, that America was plagued with the notion that communism was expanding and that Vietnam was a part of that picture, the reality was at the time that the regime changes in SE Asia countries were nothing more than a pivot point in time and not part of a bigger concerted plot to implement communism around the globe.
I wonder if there is not some form of parallel to be drawn between what happened in Vietnam and what many people see as the spread of the Muslim religion and is US foreign policy not largely to blame for many of the rifts that have developed between the Muslim and Christian populations? And again, the media plays a role in it all, I particularly like this phrase: "But Vali Nasr, California-based author of Islamic Leviathan: Islam and the Making of State Power, says that while "there is a lot happening in the Muslim world, the West — and let's admit it, the media — is obsessed with Muslim fundamentalism — it makes good copy." abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=79706&page=1Uncle Sam had been there and done that long before that, I cant get my head round, how a country that was founded on shaking off the yoke of colonial oppression cant undertsand how others would want to do the same, see Iran etc for details, nothing to do with commies or islam, its nationalism. |
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Post by rgs2001uk on Mar 18, 2019 21:17:10 GMT 7
^^^ What would be far more effective (and cheaper to the tax payer) is to close all the mosques ... permanently. I agree to a certain extent, close down the wahhibi hate schools, the wahhibis have been exporting their message of hate for years, see hook man in the uk, or the nutter in sydney who said rape victims deserved it, because they were nothing more than uncovered meat. I dont hear of shia mosques spouting this nonsense, heck ask the shia etc in places such as Bangladesh or Pakistan for details. Never mind uncle sam is quite willing to turn a blind eye, its all about oil and weapons sales. Iran, that axis of evil country where muslims christains and jews live, best not mention the land of the prophet, luggage checked at jeddah or riyadh, woe betide you if you have a bible or any religious paperwork on you, same country where the shia, bedoiuns and tihammi people are still being persecuted to this day. Religion of peace my ass, read up on the expulsion of the jews from the land of the prophet, the same jews who sought refuge in Yemen, oh eff me, theres a strange thing, the effin wahhibis bombing shit out of innocent women and children every day and no one gives a shit. |
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Post by rubl on Mar 18, 2019 21:46:45 GMT 7
Feeling a bit aggressive today, don't you. Not sure Putin's RT has much real fake news, it is more in the how they tend to describe news items, the emphasise they like to put, the subjective semi truthful qualifications they add. Plus of course the selectiveness of news items brought to you by Putin c.s. I find it somewhat amusing that a Jacob Rees-Mogg supporter so in favour of RT is. Anyway, on Dutch news sites we have that police is looking for the in Turkey born Gökmen Tanis (37). No further details, not even if this Gökmen T. is a suspect. After all he might just be a regular tram user and after the Christchurch attack might have been afraid looking a bit foreign might be enough to get him lynched after a madman started shooting in the tram. On the other hand he might be involved. Well in that case we have lots of arguments here in this topic why that Aussie chap was justified is shooting 50 innocents, so with same reasoning ... ... |
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Post by rubl on Mar 18, 2019 22:27:27 GMT 7
Regarding Christchurch it's getting Trumpish ridiculous. "Trump claims media is trying to blame him for New Zealand mass shooting Democrats criticized the US president for failing to condemn white nationalists. U.S. President Donald Trump on Monday accused “the fake news media” of attempting to blame him for the mass shooting at two mosques in New Zealand on Friday. “The Fake News Media is working overtime to blame me for the horrible attack in New Zealand,” Trump tweeted. “They will have to work very hard to prove that one. So Ridiculous!”" www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-christchurch-terrorist-claims-media-is-trying-to-blame-him-for-new-zealand-mass-shooting/ |
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Post by rubl on Mar 18, 2019 22:30:13 GMT 7
If this were an attack by Moslems we'd already be hearing "oh, they're mentally ill". Since it's not, we're not. Excuses and so that it took a while but finally someone stood up and talked about 'people with serious problems, maybe'. "“I think it's a small group of people that have very, very serious problems, I guess,” Trump said, adding, “It's certainly a terrible thing.”" and White House counsellor Conway said "“Folks, if you're not expert on this, stop weighing in like you are,” she said. “We don't need to hear your opinion on every single thing.”" www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-christchurch-terrorist-claims-media-is-trying-to-blame-him-for-new-zealand-mass-shooting/ |
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Post by rubl on Mar 18, 2019 22:40:33 GMT 7
and just in about the Utrecht shooting
three dead, five wounded. One suspect 'in the pcture', (I guess) the Turkish Gökmen T. police investigates if the motive lays in 'relational sphere'. Many rumours going around but we're just checking all. The spokesman stressed that this is only one of the possible scenarios. "we do not exclude a terrorist motive".
"De politie onderzoekt of het motief van de schutter in Utrecht ligt in de relationele sfeer, aldus een politiewoordvoerder. "Er gaan veel geruchten rond op dit moment. We onderzoeken dat." De woordvoerder benadrukt dat dit slechts een van de mogelijke scenario's is. "We sluiten een terroristisch motief niet uit." (ANP)"
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Post by rgs2001uk on Mar 18, 2019 22:57:19 GMT 7
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Post by chiangmai on Mar 19, 2019 3:27:16 GMT 7
Regarding Christchurch it's getting Trumpish ridiculous. "Trump claims media is trying to blame him for New Zealand mass shooting Democrats criticized the US president for failing to condemn white nationalists. U.S. President Donald Trump on Monday accused “the fake news media” of attempting to blame him for the mass shooting at two mosques in New Zealand on Friday. “The Fake News Media is working overtime to blame me for the horrible attack in New Zealand,” Trump tweeted. “They will have to work very hard to prove that one. So Ridiculous!”" www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-christchurch-terrorist-claims-media-is-trying-to-blame-him-for-new-zealand-mass-shooting/It's known as, the centre of attention syndrome, as long as people are talking about him, be it good or bad, his need for attention is satisfied, he's a seriously unwell little bunny. |
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Post by chiangmai on Mar 19, 2019 6:11:11 GMT 7
I've been watching a series on Netflix about the Vietnam war and it's excellent. Despite having read much about the subject and the war being a focus of my life for many years I had never managed to step back far enough to put things into perspective and this Netflix series managed to do that in just the first episode. I had understood only too well all the components of the war and other global events that were taking place at the time but I hadn't properly joined up the dots . Watching the series the coin dropped when the narrator said something along the lines of, that America was plagued with the notion that communism was expanding and that Vietnam was a part of that picture, the reality was at the time that the regime changes in SE Asia countries were nothing more than a pivot point in time and not part of a bigger concerted plot to implement communism around the globe.
I wonder if there is not some form of parallel to be drawn between what happened in Vietnam and what many people see as the spread of the Muslim religion and is US foreign policy not largely to blame for many of the rifts that have developed between the Muslim and Christian populations? And again, the media plays a role in it all, I particularly like this phrase: "But Vali Nasr, California-based author of Islamic Leviathan: Islam and the Making of State Power, says that while "there is a lot happening in the Muslim world, the West — and let's admit it, the media — is obsessed with Muslim fundamentalism — it makes good copy." abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=79706&page=1Uncle Sam had been there and done that long before that, I cant get my head round, how a country that was founded on shaking off the yoke of colonial oppression cant undertsand how others would want to do the same, see Iran etc for details, nothing to do with commies or islam, its nationalism. Nationalism and capitalism is perhaps OK as a closet agenda but surely not as the public face of the country, it'll be years if ever before people trust the US again. |
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Post by siampolee on Mar 19, 2019 6:53:25 GMT 7
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