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Post by rubl on May 18, 2019 13:00:47 GMT 7
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Post by AyG on May 18, 2019 16:09:48 GMT 7
Ridiculous, ignorant cartoon.
The EU has no trade agreement with the United States, Russia or China - three of the largest markets in the world. Following Brexit the UK will be free to negotiate agreements with these countries, along with other major markets with which the EU has no trade agreement such as India, Canada and Australia.
Of course, the loss of existing EU trade agreements will be painful - agreements with such places as the Faroe Islands, the Bailiwick of Guernsey, Lichtenstein and San Marino. The UK does so much trade with these major players in world markets.
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Post by rubl on May 18, 2019 17:56:27 GMT 7
The cartoon was about the elections, not about trade. I guess the cartonist tried to express that whereas the European citizen is free to vote whom he/she/it likes, there are indications the major power players are 'meddling', or more nicely put 'advising'.
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Post by AyG on May 18, 2019 18:16:54 GMT 7
^^^ Is there any evidence (or, indeed, has there been any suggestion) that the US or China has attempted to influence the European elections?
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Post by rubl on May 18, 2019 18:23:04 GMT 7
^^^ Is there any evidence (or, indeed, has there been any suggestion) that the US or China has attempted to influence the European elections? Well, the US 'influence' is in Trumpish twits and some hardliners telling Europeans to do this or that. Also independents like Steve Bannon are promoting the new world order as America sees it. With China it's more subtle, maybe only in being more amiable if only to offset US brassness. You didn't mention Russia which I presume a mere oversight. Russia is busy as always. Putin's Sputnik and RT news sites keep on promoting the right way of looking at things and the Troll Factory muddles to just weaken opponents. |
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Post by 88 on May 19, 2019 18:17:54 GMT 7
As a reminder why we are bothering to fight against the lefty pro-EU scumbags. Yes, it's literally a matter of survival.  |
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Post by rubl on May 19, 2019 18:43:59 GMT 7
I'm just wondering how this former British Labour Party Minister of Justice Jack Straw relates to the upcoming elections for the European parliament. Seems more an internal British issue. BTW doing a quick check it would seem most view Jack Straw as in the same category as Boris Johnson. Oh, similarly interesting is that some complained about the statement being so terribly anti-British whereas it seems just anti-English, or anti-English race (whatever that may be). Furthermore Straw has been accused of being a Zionist Jew and at the same time he was condemned by the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland. Lastly there is a suggestion that in 2008 then Caninet member Jack Straw MP made the statement about the 'English race'. Lots of people have been angered by the statement. Lots of people asked for references & proof of when/where the statement was made. No answer, not even after 11 years! PS did you know "In January 2011, Straw provoked controversy with comments made on Newsnight about Pakistani men.[69] He said "there is a specific problem which involves Pakistani heritage men ... who target vulnerable young white girls."[70] His comments came after two men of Pakistani origin were convicted of rape in Derby." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Straw |
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Post by rubl on May 20, 2019 10:32:52 GMT 7
The interesting part here is that over the last few years we've seen (far)right MEPs investigated and fined but nothing on the other side. Either the other side is squeaky clean (politicians you know, real honest decent people  ) or they are better at playing the game. Fact remains that no one seems to be able to dig up misuse like we've seen with Nigel F. and Marie le P. "MEP calls for investigation into Farage’s undisclosed ‘lavish’ gifts Arron Banks is under investigation for how his Leave.EU referendum campaign was financed." www.politico.eu/article/mep-calls-for-investigation-into-farages-undisclosed-lavish-gifts/Man of the people still at it, for himself it would seem. Not unlike Trump, but a smaller figure. "Brexit party's funding must be investigated, says Gordon Brown Former PM is concerned ‘dirty money’ from foreign donors could reach Nigel Farage’s party" www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/20/brexit-partys-funding-must-be-investigated-says-gordon-brown |
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Post by rubl on May 20, 2019 10:58:19 GMT 7
Change politics for good? "Rage, rapture and pure populism: on the road with Nigel Farage The Brexit party leader has eschewed policies in favour of a persistent message pitting politicians against ‘the people’ ... Why doesn’t he have a manifesto? Or any policies? Does he know this town centre was regenerated with EU money? Is he being bankrolled by the former Ukip donor Arron Banks, who rented him a Land Rover, personal driver and a £4.4m house in Chelsea? Farage is unruffled. “I’m fighting a European election campaign,” he says. “You can bore on with what whatever you want to bore on with.” ..." www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/19/nigel-farage-brexit-party-on-the-road-populism |
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Post by AyG on May 20, 2019 11:16:12 GMT 7
Does he know this town centre was regenerated with EU money? "EU money" is a strange concept. When a government regenerates a local area it's considered "taxpayers' money", and the government is accountable to the taxpayers for how it's spent; the EU regards the money it receives from the member countries as its own. Of course, if the UK didn't have to subsidise the lame ducks of southern and eastern Europe and help pour money into the pockets of the corrupt and the mafias, then it would still have the money to do its own regeneration. It seems utterly ludicrous and inefficient for a country to pay money into the EU, only to get some of it back. Let us not forget that the EU's own Court of Auditors state that the accounts were "not fair and accurate" from 1994 to 2006, and from 1994 to at least 2016 contained "material errors". Unfortunately the Commission routinely ignores the recommendations of the Court of Auditors to improve the situation. |
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Post by rubl on May 20, 2019 11:59:31 GMT 7
Does he know this town centre was regenerated with EU money? "EU money" is a strange concept. When a government regenerates a local area it's considered "taxpayers' money", and the government is accountable to the taxpayers for how it's spent; the EU regards the money it receives from the member countries as its own. Of course, if the UK didn't have to subsidise the lame ducks of southern and eastern Europe and help pour money into the pockets of the corrupt and the mafias, then it would still have the money to do its own regeneration. It seems utterly ludicrous and inefficient for a country to pay money into the EU, only to get some of it back. Let us not forget that the EU's own Court of Auditors state that the accounts were "not fair and accurate" from 1994 to 2006, and from 1994 to at least 2016 contained "material errors". Unfortunately the Commission routinely ignores the recommendations of the Court of Auditors to improve the situation. Especially let us not forget that obviously the British government would lavishly spend on all kind of projects to better the lives of their fellow Brits, just like they did for ages. In the much admired Victorian Times the rich gave freely to the needy who accepted with gratitude and the right level of respect towards their betters. Newsflashy - newsflashy - newsflasy Brussels. Looking into the much admired Boris Jonhson bus with GBP350 million a week for the NHS, the E.U. Accounting Commission has investigated the claim and after due deliberation has come to the conclusion that the amount actually paid to the E.U. budget is close to 200 million Euro. Since a gentleman like the honorable Boris Johnson wouldn't lie of course, the commission is preparing a bill for at least 36 months of 200 million Euro each to be presented to the British Government. Tongue-in-cheeky Anyway 'solidarity' seems no longer a familiar concept in Britain even though she was part of the E.U. 'circus' for forty years. Even now it would seem Britain is still hesitant as to how she wants to get out. This brings us back to the European elections for Members of the European parliament. It's somewhat kafkaesque to have the British elect members for a parliament they accuse of being dictatorial. Of course, strictly speaking Britain can still (legally) stop the elections, at least in Britain, by informing the E.U. she will get out on BST 23:00, 22th of May, 2019 A.D. |
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Post by Fletchsmile on May 20, 2019 12:06:58 GMT 7
... Why doesn’t he have a manifesto? Or any policies? Does he know this town centre was regenerated with EU money? ... The article wasn't clear on who exactly said that and what they are talking about. Seems to be some man on the street in Merthyr Tydvil
Among many other masive holes in that statement: Where do they think the EU got their money from in the first place?  |
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Post by rubl on May 20, 2019 12:09:39 GMT 7
... Why doesn’t he have a manifesto? Or any policies? Does he know this town centre was regenerated with EU money? ... The article wasn't clear on who exactly said that and what they are talking about. Seems to be some man on the street in Merthyr Tydvil
Among many other masive holes in that statement: Where do they think the EU got their money from in the first place? Probably they thought that was why they paid taxes like all common people, like that 'man of the people' Nigel F. |
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Post by Fletchsmile on May 20, 2019 12:19:50 GMT 7
The article wasn't clear on who exactly said that and what they are talking about. Seems to be some man on the street in Merthyr Tydvil
Among many other masive holes in that statement: Where do they think the EU got their money from in the first place? Probably they thought that was why they paid taxes like all common people, like that 'man of the people' Nigel F. I think you're giving them far too much credit uncle rubl. I doubt they thought even that far and the link to taxes.
There has been quite a bit of regeneration work going on/ planned in MT and other towns in Wales. The EU contribution to that is a drop in the ocean. Where the EU got it's money from, well yes you and I may see the link to taxes, and may see the link to how the UK pays into the EU far more than it gets out etc etc, but I suspect that particular person missed those points ad many others |
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Post by rubl on May 20, 2019 17:44:54 GMT 7
Regarding the Nigel F. 'Brexit Party Ltd. funding', fair is fair. The comment from Brexit Party chair Richard Tice. "‘Dirty money’ claims are ‘ridiculous,’ says Brexit Party chair Richard Tice said that ‘Westminster people’ were jealous of the party’s success. The Brexit Party accepts donations made in foreign currency, its chair Richard Tice told the BBC's Today Program on Monday, while dismissing claims that the party was funneling "dirty money." Tice said the party used a PayPal account to receive relatively small donations of less than £500, which are subject to less scrutiny by the party than larger donations. "I don’t sit in front of the Paypal account all day so I don’t know what currencies people are using," he said when asked if the party received donations in currencies other than sterling, potentially from outside the country." www.politico.eu/article/dirty-money-claims-are-ridiculous-says-brexit-party-chair-richard-tice-bbc/PS "There are only two directors in Brexit Party Ltd. — Farage and his friend, the Brexiteer businessman Richard Tice. The company secretary is Phillip Basey, a former UKIP activist, who was appointed in March. And there are five undisclosed shareholders, with each share worth £1." |
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) or they are better at playing the game. Fact remains that no one seems to be able to dig up misuse like we've seen with Nigel F. and Marie le P. 
