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Post by siampolee on Jul 4, 2019 6:54:30 GMT 7
One doesn't collide (ram) other vessels on the high seas unless it's a deliberate act or a p**sed navigating officer. Just remember that should you take such an action your vessel may well incur vessel severe hull and superstructure damage, thus endangering your own crew and any non-crew people you may have aboard. Accidental collisions (rammings) are about as rare as a pork butcher at Mecca (or Bradford}  or a pork pie in a synagogue, mind you the old four by two's are good at making ''pork pies'' though.  |
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Post by rubl on Jul 4, 2019 7:58:47 GMT 7
I think there are more unqualified captains than pork butchers in Mecca.
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Post by rott on Jul 4, 2019 15:57:16 GMT 7
An accident, well that's OK then. Did I read correctly or not (somewhere) that the sole purpose of her vessel is to collect struggling and shipwrecked "migrants"? Well, assuming that's true and why should we doubt that, it's clear that 'ramming military vessels' was not part of that purpose. So it was an accident. BTW Under maritime law ships are under an obligation to go to the aid of ships or boats in distress and attempt to rescue those whose lives are in danger. A post very unworthy of you rubl, let me give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that para 1 is childish facetiousness mistaken for humour. Para 2 I will pretend you are serious and explain that there is a world of difference between that and going seeking out these unfortunates for political point-scoring. |
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Post by rubl on Jul 4, 2019 17:00:24 GMT 7
Well, assuming that's true and why should we doubt that, it's clear that 'ramming military vessels' was not part of that purpose. So it was an accident. BTW Under maritime law ships are under an obligation to go to the aid of ships or boats in distress and attempt to rescue those whose lives are in danger. A post very unworthy of you rubl, let me give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that para 1 is childish facetiousness mistaken for humour. Para 2 I will pretend you are serious and explain that there is a world of difference between that and going seeking out these unfortunates for political point-scoring. If judges are willing to believe the collision was an accident than who am I to say they're wrong? BTW A military patrol boat tried to stop the vessel entering the port, moving back and forth to prevent it from docking. However, Rackete continued the manoeuvre, risking ramming into the military boat. As for "political point-scoring", you probably mean you disagree with the activity and feel a need to quantify your level of disagreement. It's close to Trump calling every and anything against him 'politically motivated' as if that explains anything or justifies anything. |
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Post by siampolee on Jul 4, 2019 17:15:02 GMT 7
Well when one is safely ensconced in the comfort of one condominium in BKK it is easy to show ones sympathy to the ''refugee'' as of course ones life style is not affected by those said ''refugees.''
No offer to home or sponsor a ''refugee either by financial support from a Thailand based resident or asking ones kith and kin in ones home country to ''adopt'' a refugee?
Indeed the wearing of a bleeding heart on ones sleeve serve shows without a doubt that talk or keyboard hits are indeed cheap principled actions.
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Post by rubl on Jul 4, 2019 18:02:07 GMT 7
Well when one is safely ensconced in the comfort of one condominium in BKK it is easy to show ones sympathy to the ''refugee'' as of course ones life style is not affected by those said ''refugees.'' No offer to home or sponsor a ''refugee either by financial support from a Thailand based resident or asking ones kith and kin in ones home country to ''adopt'' a refugee? Indeed the wearing of a bleeding heart on ones sleeve serve shows without a doubt that talk or keyboard hits are indeed cheap principled actions. Well written for someone who is retired and lives comfortably in the suburbs of Bangkok while I'm still in the office busy at work while my notebook is chewing on yet another Windows/10 monthly update. BTW I'm not going into bleeding heart stuff, only into a bit more objectivity while trying to avoid personal attacks which seem inevitable when one has a 'different' opinion than some think you should have. |
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Post by rott on Jul 4, 2019 19:50:38 GMT 7
A post very unworthy of you rubl, let me give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that para 1 is childish facetiousness mistaken for humour. Para 2 I will pretend you are serious and explain that there is a world of difference between that and going seeking out these unfortunates for political point-scoring. If judges are willing to believe the collision was an accident than who am I to say they're wrong? BTW A military patrol boat tried to stop the vessel entering the port, moving back and forth to prevent it from docking. However, Rackete continued the manoeuvre, risking ramming into the military boat. As for "political point-scoring", you probably mean you disagree with the activity and feel a need to quantify your level of disagreement. It's close to Trump calling every and anything against him 'politically motivated' as if that explains anything or justifies anything. 1) The fact that she was set free is not the same as "believing" her story. 2) Compare the difference in these paras in your two posts, two different stories. My point, which you are trying to ignore, is that they are NOT a merchant vessel going about it's business but a politically motivated operation going out seeking these people. |
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Post by siampolee on Jul 4, 2019 20:10:19 GMT 7
Strange comments, seems you may be paranoid, I see no mention of your name or any specific link to you in any way.
Perhaps you should retire and live a comfortable life , company pension or private scheme plus of course access to the Dutch pension system which is indeed far more generous than that of a
U K citizen.
The fact you are still in the office is no fault nor concern of mine. Seems as if you may well be the one who can't tolerate opposite views to your own.
All I can say is , If the cap fits wear it, you'll then feel comfortable no doubt in your snug little world.
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Post by rubl on Jul 4, 2019 21:31:39 GMT 7
Strange comments, seems you may be paranoid, I see no mention of your name or any specific link to you in any way. Perhaps you should retire and live a comfortable life , company pension or private scheme plus of course access to the Dutch pension system which is indeed far more generous than that of a U K citizen. The fact you are still in the office is no fault nor concern of mine. Seems as if you may well be the one who can't tolerate opposite views to your own. All I can say is , If the cap fits wear it, you'll then feel comfortable no doubt in your snug little world. Don't play the fool. Even if you would have meant rott I'd still have come to his defense. I may disagree with him, but in this I only try to get and understand his reasoning. Your post is a personal attack, as simple as that. Your post came within an eye blink after my post. That's a fact. Your comment just shows who is the snug little guy with blinkers on. What we discuss here is a captain who tried to break a blockade of small ships quickly send to sail before her to prevent her passage. In such a situation ships can collide. Happens frequently with Chinese and Vietnamese / Philippine, all accidents as well. I'm not saying anything about the legality of it all. The judges did. |
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Post by rubl on Jul 4, 2019 21:44:37 GMT 7
If judges are willing to believe the collision was an accident than who am I to say they're wrong? BTW A military patrol boat tried to stop the vessel entering the port, moving back and forth to prevent it from docking. However, Rackete continued the manoeuvre, risking ramming into the military boat. As for "political point-scoring", you probably mean you disagree with the activity and feel a need to quantify your level of disagreement. It's close to Trump calling every and anything against him 'politically motivated' as if that explains anything or justifies anything. 1) The fact that she was set free is not the same as "believing" her story. 2) Compare the difference in these paras in your two posts, two different stories. My point, which you are trying to ignore, is that they are NOT a merchant vessel going about it's business but a politically motivated operation going out seeking these people. I find it difficult to believe any captain would 'on purpose' ram another vessel, unless in a war-like situation. In this case I do believe the collision was not intentional in itself, but more of a belief that the small vessels would 'of course' go out of the way and they either didn't (their good right as military vessels under orders in home waters), or the captain of the larger vessel didn't realise that vessel take time to slow down and/or change tack. Mind you, even if by accident in this case if asked I'd call the captain of the larger vessel guilty, or maybe 'less competent' at a minimum. As for the 'political motivated operation' since when is a humane operation political? sea-watch.org/en/project/sea-watch-3/Note that the maritime law refers to vessels and doesn't really look at the colour or flag of such vessel in case of shipwrecked people. |
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Post by siampolee on Jul 5, 2019 5:05:57 GMT 7
Ah,the world according to rubl the great Oracle of the Temple of Google is your Friend.
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Post by siampolee on Jul 5, 2019 6:00:30 GMT 7
Certainly it seems paranoia is in command, note the comment about a response time. I was at home in suburbia, not working. So am I to presume it is a crime to be on the board at the Same time as you, or anyone else for that matter? Playing the fool. Perhaps judging others by personal standards and actions is not a wise move. By your deeds you are known.  |
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Post by rott on Jul 5, 2019 8:47:47 GMT 7
FWIW rubl I am a beneficiary of maritime law regarding vessels in distress, having once been "collected" from a lifeboat in the Indian Ocean. The engine room on the original ship being ablaze. But all's well that ends well.
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Post by rubl on Jul 5, 2019 9:20:43 GMT 7
Ah,the world according to rubl the great Oracle of the Temple of Google is your Friend. No doubt you don't need to google because you know all? BTW I'm an oldtimer, I yahoo  |
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Post by rott on Jul 5, 2019 12:18:26 GMT 7
And here's a picture of the ship and its cargo of fine, upstanding young gentlemen who will greatly enrich European culture by extending multiculturalism:  Yes, I do not see many communicant members of the C of E amongst them. Not even any left-footers. |
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or a pork pie in a synagogue, mind you the old four by two's are good at making ''pork pies'' though. 
