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Post by rubl on Aug 29, 2019 13:56:06 GMT 7
We are gonna have to sit down one day and have one of you guys give me the very short version of what brexit actually is, being the dense american and all i gotta play the part. I think i know the gist of it but the details completely elude me. Here's the high level view in a nutshell. Brexit is how Great Britain (that's England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland) will exit the European (EU) common market. Why did we join in the first place? - Because at the time (1970's) it made sense for us to become part of a single trade zone that was right on our doorstep (Europe), a single or common set of rules for the entire market, economies of scale, centralized administration and dispute resolution, a common payments system, no import export controls....imagine trying to be a very small market on the edge of a very very large market that everyone went to. So what changed and why do we now want leave? - The committee that controls the market (the EU Parliament) slowly took on powers that became too controlling and ambitious for our liking and went way beyond just a common set of trade rules, we were being dictated to on an increasing number of different fronts and risked losing our independence and sovereignty. The trend by Europe was to create a single federalist state with its own army and a single central parliament and we don't want to be a part of that, our government wrote: " This deal (Brexit) takes back control of our borders, our laws and our money, and protects our economy, our security, and our United Kingdom". assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/759792/28_November_EU_Exit_-_Taking_back_control_of_our_borders__money_and_laws_while_protecting_our_economy__security_and_Union__1_.pdf The document is from the British government which justifies the brexit, or at least tries to. One would expect them to do so. Of course, by now no one seems to remember that the referendum had a simple "stay in vs. get out" without any details, with a clear majority of 52% of voters wanting out vs. 48% like to remain and the result was non-binding. Both remain and brexiteers told a lot of porkies, although maybe the brexiteers more than anyone else (still waiting for plans to give the NHS GBP 350 million per week EXTRA). The E.U. Parliament was slowly granted more say in the E.U. affairs by the European Council. Britain's Prime Minister was part of that Council since the U.K. joined. Britain knew the long term vision of the E.U. Unfortunately it would seem that whenever a decision was made which some didn't like the usual 'excuse' to the electorate would be "That's Brussles for you". Note Britain isn't the only country which uses that excuse, only seems to use it more often than others. BTW "The European Council (informally EUCO) is a collective body that defines the European Union's overall political direction and priorities. It comprises the heads of state or government of the EU member states, along with the President of the European Council and the President of the European Commission. The High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy also takes part in its meetings.[1] Established as an informal summit in 1975, the European Council was formalised as an institution in 2009 upon the entry into force of the Treaty of Lisbon. Its current president is Donald Tusk, former Prime Minister of Poland. Charles Michel, current Belgian Prime Minister is President-Elect, taking office on 1 December 2019." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Council |
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Post by chiangmai on Aug 29, 2019 14:11:15 GMT 7
Big sigh.....
The poster asked, "give me the very short version of what brexit actually is."
To which I replied, "Here's the high level view in a nutshell".
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Post by rott on Aug 29, 2019 14:42:17 GMT 7
Fine changers, except that what you call Great Britain is in fact the United Kingdom.
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Post by chiangmai on Aug 29, 2019 14:46:16 GMT 7
Sorry, my bad, a slip of the fingers as it were, I was too busy trying to emphasize the connection between the word Brexit and the country.
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Post by rott on Aug 29, 2019 14:54:16 GMT 7
Well, OK this time, but things like that confuse foreigners and encourage lefties.  |
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Post by chiangmai on Aug 29, 2019 15:14:01 GMT 7
Should it not be UKexit then and if not why is Brexit acceptable? I mean, the name does imply that only GB is leaving whilst the other (most not worth much) bits are not.  |
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Post by rubl on Aug 29, 2019 16:59:18 GMT 7
Should it not be UKexit then and if not why is Brexit acceptable? I mean, the name does imply that only GB is leaving whilst the other (most not worth much) bits are not. Other bits? Wouldn't that be the Northern Ireland bit only? |
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Post by rott on Aug 29, 2019 17:36:59 GMT 7
Br short for British, being what we are as we come from the British Isles.
If you google it you will see that the two largest Islands are Great Britain and Ireland.
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Post by rubl on Aug 29, 2019 18:06:04 GMT 7
Br short for British, being what we are as we come from the British Isles. If you google it you will see that the two largest Islands are Great Britain and Ireland. Well, there's a bit implied there, as if 1922 never happened. Like the Irish come from what is known as the British Isles but who are not British. BTW did you know that in its earlier form the event was known as 'Brixit but soon people came to their senses and i1.wp.com/marketbusinessnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/BREXIT-definition-and-meaning.jpg"The British Isles are a group of islands in the North Atlantic off the north-western coast of continental Europe that consist of the islands of Great Britain, Ireland, the Isle of Man, the Hebrides and over six thousand smaller isles.[8] They have a total area of about 315,159 km2[5] and a combined population of almost 72 million, and include two sovereign states, the Republic of Ireland (which covers roughly five-sixths of Ireland),[9] and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The islands of Alderney, Jersey, Guernsey, and Sark, and their neighbouring smaller islands, are sometimes also taken to be part of the British Isles,[10] even though, as islands off the coast of France, they do not form part of the archipelago." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles |
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Post by rott on Aug 29, 2019 18:32:33 GMT 7
Sighs...........1922 has got nothing to do with it.
When I was at school we had Atlases that had (a) physical maps and (b) political maps.
The former would show the land mass and the topography. The latter would show the land and the individual nations.
The British Isles would be a physical map. There is not and never has been any such political entity as the British Isles. Or Great Britain.
Do not mistake the moderate tone of this post as being in keeping with the enormity of the error of your "1922" post. Possibly others will make that clearer. Or perhaps not.
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Post by rott on Aug 29, 2019 18:41:50 GMT 7
Sorry it was the Kingdom of Great Britain from 1707 until 1800 when it became the United Kingdom.
And as I understand it the Republic of Ireland is not too happy about the term British Isles and would prefer British and Irish Isles or similar. But to the world they are the British Isles.
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Post by rubl on Aug 29, 2019 18:44:53 GMT 7
Sighs...........1922 has got nothing to do with it. When I was at school we had Atlases that had (a) physical maps and (b) political maps. The former would show the land mass and the topography. The latter would show the land and the individual nations. The British Isles would be a physical map. There is not and never has been any such political entity as the British Isles. Or Great Britain. Do not mistake the moderate tone of this post as being in keeping with the enormity of the error of your "1922" post. Possibly others will make that clearer. Or perhaps not. Deep breath, follow up with sipping your beer and I allow you one 'foreign git'  You wrote "Br short for British, being what we are as we come from the British Isles. " That seems to imply, although it doesn't say so, that only Brits come from the British Isles. That what I meant. |
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Post by rubl on Aug 29, 2019 18:55:03 GMT 7
Sorry it was the Kingdom of Great Britain from 1707 until 1800 when it became the United Kingdom. And as I understand it the Republic of Ireland is not too happy about the term British Isles and would prefer British and Irish Isles or similar. But to the world they are the British Isles. From what I remember between 1707 and 1800 we had the Kingdom of Great Britain and the Kingdom of Ireland in a personal union. From then on United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and later United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. All covering the British Isles with main islands Britain and Ireland and part of the European Continental plate, called Europe for short  |
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Post by rubl on Aug 29, 2019 19:30:25 GMT 7
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Post by rgs2001uk on Aug 29, 2019 19:41:31 GMT 7
Console yourself with the fact, you and your vlogs will still be here long after these other places go the way of Trink and are consigned to the scrapheap of obscurity. Demographics are on your side, as the skint brexit pensioners bitch and moan about exchange rates and the cost of a dial up modem, the world moves on, facebook is where it is at these days. Prime example, www.facebook.com/groups/1395920320731833/We are gonna have to sit down one day and have one of you guys give me the very short version of what brexit actually is, being the dense american and all i gotta play the part. I think i know the gist of it but the details completely elude me. i have a thaivisa bashing vid up soon. and i have sworn to myself to <duck> the pc shit from here on out so my real, actual opinions are forthcoming. should be a good one. The short version is, its our version of the Boston Tea Party. |
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