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Post by AyG on Mar 9, 2020 10:43:54 GMT 7
The SET index has plunged (again). Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse. Surely this is just irrational. YTD return on the SET is currently -18.1%. SET on Bloomberg
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Post by siampolee on Mar 9, 2020 10:56:34 GMT 7
Time to buy but be patient as the SE indexes worldwide will drop yet again and further too. One however is beginning to wonder whether this hysteria concerning the Coronavirus is being promoted by interested parties so as to speed up the NWO,,,
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Post by AyG on Mar 9, 2020 11:07:26 GMT 7
Personally, I wouldn't be buying this dip in Thai stocks. I think that the incompetent military government is going to be here to stifle the economy for a few more years.
What particularly hurts is that my Asian investment trusts are down heavily year-to-date. SOI down 15.6%, PAC down 10.1%. On the bright side, my investment in index-linked government bonds has done well. US TIPS [TIPG] is up 6.9%, and UK index-linked Gilts [GILI] is up 8.9% YTD.
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Post by siampolee on Mar 9, 2020 13:39:05 GMT 7
It's not government input its the worldwide stock market(s) input, nervous bankers, investors, energy producers, public mass hysteria, etc. Guaranteed someone will make a killing at the expense of others though.
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Post by siampolee on Mar 9, 2020 14:11:35 GMT 7
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Post by rubl on Mar 9, 2020 14:52:09 GMT 7
Regarding the oil price a few days ago we had "Putin Dumps MBS to Start a War on America’s Shale Oil Industry (Bloomberg) -- At 10:16 a.m. on a wet and dreary Friday morning, Russia’s energy minister walked into OPEC’s headquarters in central Vienna knowing his boss was ready to turn the global oil market upside down. Alexander Novak told his Saudi Arabian counterpart Prince Abdulaziz bin Salman that Russia was unwilling to cut oil production further. The Kremlin had decided that propping up prices as the coronavirus ravaged energy demand would be a gift to the U.S. shale industry. The frackers had added millions of barrels of oil to the global market while Russian companies kept wells idle. Now it was time to squeeze the Americans." www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-dumps-mbs-to-start-a-war-on-america-e2-80-99s-shale-oil-industry/ar-BB10SMWj
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Post by rgs2001uk on Mar 9, 2020 20:56:15 GMT 7
The SET index has plunged (again). Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse. Surely this is just irrational. YTD return on the SET is currently -18.1%. SET on BloombergThe Don needs to get on the phone and tell Bone Saw, how the camel chews the cabbage, or send some clerk down to the archives and blow the dust off those invasion plans, if the arrogant man child cant be trusted to manage the worlds oil reserves, the world will manage them for him. I have been saying it for years, Osama Bin Laden was correct, these arrogant Sauds should have been overthrown years ago.
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Post by rgs2001uk on Mar 10, 2020 20:44:12 GMT 7
Haircut update, now have a #2, lost 16%.
Its hard times for an honest man.
Eff me if this keeps up, soon I will be a
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Post by rgs2001uk on Mar 11, 2020 20:56:30 GMT 7
For your reading pleasure, make of it what you will.
Dear XXXXXXXXX
Following the recent update on the impact of Covid-19, equity markets lurched lower on Monday as the number of new cases reported outside of China each day continues to surge. To make matters worse, Saudi Arabia fired the first shots in a price war, sending oil prices down by more than a quarter. Given the rising tensions between Saudi Arabia and Russian ally Iran, there is also the possibility that a real war could ensue. Financial markets would then demand even more return for the risks.
The steep drop in oil prices makes it more likely that some oil producers will default on their debts. This is concerning because US oil producers have accounted for an outsized share of new credit extended over the last decade. Rising defaults could threaten the failure of banking institutions who may have become over-exposed (or, far more damaging, the perceived risk of it). Given roughly 13% of the US high yield bond index is made up of oil producers, there is also the risk that bond fund managers may need to “fire-sell” good assets if investors start to redeem funds.
Some commentators fear another financial crisis. Financial crises are different to normal recessions: they tend to be deeper and with less of a V-shaped recovery. We do not think that a financial crisis is likely.
There is a deep literature on financial crises, and they almost invariably have common markers. They tend to be preceded by a rapid increase in leverage (of a speed that we have not seen over the last 10 years), often as a result of financial de-regulation (quite the opposite to today) and an overextension of credit to un-creditworthy borrowers as a result of imprudent lending standards, especially by weak banks with inadequate capital (again no systemic evidence of that today). Most are also associated with banks becoming dangerously exposed to a highly-levered asset class such as property, which is used in turn to collateralise yet more loans. Again there is little evidence of this today.
Of course, we are concerned about the ability of some companies to finance themselves should profits plunge for more than a couple of quarters, but as it stands, interest coverage ratios (the ratio of annual profits to annual interest expense) are reasonable. The median US non-financial company has an interest coverage ratio of seven.
Offsetting some of the latest pressure on financial conditions, government bond yields also plunged Monday as central banks are expected to continue to loosen policy, with the US 10-year Treasury yield down more than a quarter point to a record low of 0.50%. The UK 10-year gilt yield is currently 0.1%.
Lower oil prices could provide a modest boost to consumers and firms via lower energy bills. But if they are unable to spend the effective increase in disposable incomes due to travel restrictions or supply-chain disruption, it may not provide much of a lift. Pleasingly, the direct loss of employment from any disruption to the oil industry wouldn’t be significant. Just 0.2% of US employment is in oil & gas extraction or pipeline construction.
The big unknown
A plunge in oil prices has sent markets reeling, but the epidemic is still our main concern. It’s impossible for anyone to predict the virus’s course – there is an absence of conviction among medical experts, let alone investment professionals. We view the financial implications in terms of three broad scenarios: (i) Covid-19 and the associated disruption could be on the cusp of dissipating rapidly; (ii) it could continue to worsen into the second quarter, greatly disrupting profits before the world gets back to normal in the second half of the year; (iii) it may escalate into a full scale pandemic, with lasting economic effects into 2021.
As financial markets are probability-weighting machines, we use a simple valuation framework to help us assess our three scenarios. These scenarios give us a best case, a worst case and something in the middle, so we can model the effects on equity prices, weight them by probability and add them together to compare this probability-weighted price to today's actual price.
What we do know
China’s oppressive coping strategy really does seem to have beaten the virus. Daily new cases have slowed to a trickle. For the last two weeks, between 88% and 100% of new cases have been in Hubei province, where it all began. The mortality rate is starting to level off, the severity rate has plunged and the recovery rate has surged to 90% outside of Hubei (70% across China as a whole). But the daily change in new cases outside of China is rising exponentially. We focus on this metric because during the 2003 SARS outbreak, the peak in new cases coincided with the trough in equities and other risk assets. This also bore out early last month when new Chinese cases peaked and markets thought we weren't going to see epidemics in other countries.
South Korea and Italy are of more immediate concern. Like China, they are supply chain linchpins. It's possible that the daily changes in new cases in Korea has peaked, but it is too early to say for sure. Japan, for all the press attention, is a non sequitur (at least on the official numbers). Looking at the percentage changes, Korea seems to be following the Chinese roadmap, even without the draconian lockdown, which is good news for now. But, again, we don’t know how it will develop from here.
In the last few days new cases in France, Spain and Germany have started to rise. There is a risk that as virulence peaks in one country it springs up in another, preventing a market recovery for some time.
The risk of recession
In our last quarterly InvestmentUpdate in early January, we concluded that a bias toward companies with good quality earnings growth and a generally defensive positioning within equity allocations made sense amid slowing global growth. At the time, the turnaround in the leading indicators of economic activity was very tentative and we noted the risk that things could get worse before they got better. Our analysis suggested that 2018 and 2019’s policy easing across the world was not due to lift profits until the second quarter (it lifts equity valuations immediately, but takes a long time to feed through into real economic activity), and in the meantime the economy and financial markets were vulnerable to another setback.
The leading indicators continued to firm over the first quarter, but given the Covid-19 outbreaks we believe it makes sense to stick to the same defensive biases for now. Leading economic indicators are likely to lose momentum again and the recent underperformance of more economically sensitive sectors seems likely to continue. We believe investors will continue to pay up for quality businesses with good cash flow growth.
Stock market corrections greater than 15% are very rare outside of recession, so, as ever, it’s the risk of a US and global recession that we need to monitor most closely. Last week's falls in equity markets invited comparisons to October 2008, but it is important to remember that the US had already been in recession for 10 months back then. Today, the world is very much not in recession, while the probability of the US falling into recession in the next 12 months was negligible before Covid-19 struck, according to our analysis of the indicators we believe have the best predicting power. In January the global manufacturing PMI, a much-watched measure of business confidence, had returned to a nine-month high. Another important difference is that policymakers are on the front foot. Central banks are cutting rates, and not because they mistakenly set them too high to begin with. The Bank of England’s agents are co-ordinating liquidity with commercial banks to ensure that China-facing firms do not run into working capital problems. And the finance ministers of the world’s major economies are already discussing a co-ordinated fiscal policy response should a pandemic emerge.
The path to recession
The threat to economic growth from Covid-19 or government reactions to it comes via three main channels: (i) tourism, (ii) the supply chain, (iii) sentiment.
Many Chinese tourists have stopped departing from China. They make up more than 25% of all tourist arrivals in Hong Kong, Japan, South Korea, Vietnam and Thailand, so these countries are particularly vulnerable to this channel.
The supply chain is the bigger threat. That said, the PMI surveys conducted in mid-February – before the outbreak in Italy and Korea but when Chinese factories were still in mothballs – didn't report all that much of an increase in supplier delivery times. In fact in the US, supplier delivery times were actually improving. Anecdotally, Chinese factories are springing back to life, but some of the daily data disputes this. Data from the service sector (the largest sector of the Chinese economy at around 45% of gross value added) looks better: property sales in Beijing were down 95% year-on-year in mid-February but in early March they were higher (i.e. missed activity is being recouped). Expressway traffic is also back to within a few percent of last year's norm. That said, there are also anecdotal reports of empty shopping malls: people are returning to work but not, perhaps, to their usual consumption habits.
Sentiment is the greater threat
As it stands, sentiment is the greater threat. Declining sentiment not only derails consumption and investment directly, but can tighten financial conditions which could lead to weaker firms going bankrupt. Central bank action is designed to support sentiment (of course, it can't do anything to help immediate supply chain dislocation). While last week’s surprise 0.5% cut from the Federal Reserve was not met with much applause from equity markets, it is important to note that financial conditions haven't tightened by that much – they tightened far more in the 2015/16 growth scare – and are still looser today than they were a year ago. The market had anticipated the rate cuts, and credit spreads (the spread in yield between corporate and government bonds), which tend to go wider as the risk of defaults go up, were still relatively tight. Rathbones’ own gauge of financial stress was also lower than in 2015/16 (prior to Monday’s selloff), despite the spike in equity volatility.
Of course, if Covid-19 causes a contraction in profits that lasts for more than two quarters, some weak companies may start to become insolvent. But debt servicing costs are very affordable.
In short, we see little evidence that a Covid-19-induced recession would trigger a financial crisis. Especially when we consider that monetary policy is currently set so loosely – most recessions, and especially financial crises, are triggered by a monetary policy mistake.
Under observation
We will continue to monitor the situation with a particular focus on consumer confidence, credit markets, leading indicators of recession and the spread of Covid-19.
For many months, we have preferred ‘growth’ companies to ‘value’. Today’s ‘growth’ companies tend to be businesses that are less dependent on greater economic growth for making more money. ‘Value’ companies tend to be more exposed to the ebbs and flows of GDP growth.
Cash-flow growth remains a scarce commodity, and we believe that investors will continue to pay up for it. Indeed an index of ‘value’ stocks in the US has underperformed a ‘growth’ index by an extraordinary 18% since the beginning of the year (globally, ‘value’ has underperformed by 8%). A survey of the history of value versus growth performance does not paint a strong case for value. Buying companies with the “cheapest” valuations has tended to lose investors money consistently over the last 20 years, especially in the US where value has underperformed for decades.
We continue to focus on choosing quality, cash-compounding companies because we believe they have the greatest chance of surviving left-field events like we are now experiencing.
Kind regards
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Post by AyG on Mar 12, 2020 11:14:37 GMT 7
The bloodbath just got worse. SET is down over 8% this morning. YTD it's down over 27%.
This is getting ludicrous.
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Post by siampolee on Mar 12, 2020 15:20:19 GMT 7
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Post by AyG on Mar 12, 2020 16:52:28 GMT 7
Now down 10.4% on the day.
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Post by AyG on Mar 13, 2020 10:47:01 GMT 7
And this morning (Friday) it's lost a further 10%. YTD it's down 36.5%. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
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Post by rubl on Mar 13, 2020 12:50:14 GMT 7
JP Morgan forecasts a US recession for 2020 JP Morgan has revised its US gross domestic product (GDP) forecast to -2 percent annualized growth in the first quarter of 2020, and -3 percent in the second, as tweeted by CNBC contributor James Pethokoukis. Essentially, the investment bank sees the US economy falling into a recession this year. An economy is said to be in a recession when the GDP growth rate is negative for two consecutive quarters or more. Forecasts assume the government will deliver a $500 billion fiscal stimulus and suggests that GDP could return to positive in the third quarter if the coronavirus outbreak slows. www.fxstreet.com/news/jp-morgan-forecasts-a-us-recession-for-2020-202003130315
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