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Post by rott on Sept 20, 2023 14:32:49 GMT 7
Changers yes I omitted to mention that it was stated categorically in Thursday's Post that China is now recovered. So our bundles of baht can come out from umder the mattress and go into a virtually interest free bank account. Their property prices are definitely not facked just undergoing a cyclical correction. Serves them facking right. I can agree to compromise by calling it a corrected cyclical facking, hope that works for you too. It's just facked basically.
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Post by chiangmai on Sept 20, 2023 20:31:30 GMT 7
The Baht is in decline and forecast to breach 37 this year, a strong USD and high oil price are mostly to blame but a weaker local economy also contributes. Ah, great, I hear some of you say. Yes, well look out because somebody somewhere in government will be looking for you to contribute more, visa fees, money in the bank, taxes, all have been mentioned previously. finance.yahoo.com/news/worst-currency-asia-set-extend-062404548.html
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Post by siampolee on Sept 20, 2023 20:57:39 GMT 7
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Post by chiangmai on Sept 22, 2023 15:41:47 GMT 7
All the media is saying the same things, the Baht is going to weaken and stay weaker for longer, courtesy of the US Fed and the threat of higher interest rates for longer. One Thai analyst forecasts that it will remain weak through October but may be supported thereafter on the back of increased tourism during high season. I think said analyst is relying on historic factors and trends which may not full compensate this year for the downturn in exports, capital outflows as foreigners sell Thai assets and of course, the high price of oil. Traders are also very concerned at the prospect of higher government borrowings and debt, thank goodness that somebody is because that could kill things stone dead. But then for Brits there's the prospect of a weakening Pound, markets say the BOE is done with interest rate increases so it's all downhill from here on. It looks like, Pound down, USD up, the Baht down, that may translate into a sideways exchange rate for GBP/THB. As for equities: they had been inching up nicely until Jerome spoke yet again, we'll have to see whether of not they settle down next week or whether a further downwards slide is on the cards. thethaiger.com/hot-news/economy/baht-depreciation-expected-to-deepen-amid-global-market-volatility
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Post by siampolee on Sept 22, 2023 17:24:30 GMT 7
What may prove to be fuel for the fire is the possibility of a shutdown of US government funds which according to assorted reports the (Trump camp) Republicans are pushing for and using as a weapon to force the withdrawal of all the indictments etc. that Trump and his cronies are facing plus an attempt to impeach Biden, however I think that those two causes are going to fall at the last fence, time alone will tell.
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Post by chiangmai on Sept 22, 2023 17:29:02 GMT 7
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Post by siampolee on Sept 22, 2023 17:42:19 GMT 7
The man is a demented egotistic Narcissus, the same goes for his slavering followers, but wounded animals in their death throes thrashing around can do untold damage.
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Post by Mosha on Sept 23, 2023 19:58:33 GMT 7
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Post by chiangmai on Sept 24, 2023 5:09:38 GMT 7
A weak Pound will be costly for the UK economy, they have massive debt that must be serviced plus the price of oil is forever marching upwards. Those things will in turn lead to renewed price inflation so no, the BOE is not done raising rates, even if markets think they are. Markets here and across the pond are not very good at dealing with reality, there's a lot of wishful thinking in both. But both places have the edge over Thailand where rates are still very low and government wants to borrow much more. The natural consequence of low rates and increased borrowings is a weaker currency and increased inflation, Western countries have amply demonstrated that. Reducing the price of diesel helps control supply costs but given the widespread use of diesel transportation for non business purposes, that move will be costly and represents more debt that must be repaid - in January the Fuel Subsidy Fund was B120 bill in debt, with the recent lowering of the price cap, that fund could easily hit -150 bill by Xmas. This is nothing more than a transfer of debt from the consumer to the government and ultimately in time, back to the consumer again. Most of the governments' economic measures seem aimed at protecting the rural poor and the high levels of consumer debt. If the poor can't repay those debts, the banking system is at risk. If the poor aren't kept a little bit happy, social unrest will follow. Higher interest rates may be what inflation needs but the downside here is so great as to make that almost impossible.....there will be a price to pay for that in the future, I think. Government Price caps on 20 food staples have been tried several times before, during covid there were caps on 51 food items which had to be increased eventually. But the whole concept of price caps on food doesn't work well, "From Argentina and Venezuela to Russia, China and Thailand, governments are addressing the challenge of rising food prices by imposing price controls. By fixing prices below market levels, they hope to ease the burden on their citizens and avoid social unrest. But evidence from past crises shows that such measures do not reverse price trends and may end up having the opposite effect, say international economists, who advocate aid for the poor instead. "From Argentina and Venezuela to Russia, China and Thailand, governments are addressing the challenge of rising food prices by imposing price controls. International economists warn that price controls and other interventions lead to market distortions like reduced supplies, smuggling and two tier markets because they discourage domestic production, processing and trade. By dampening the underlying causes of inflation, price controls prevent market solutions, these experts say. Already, some countries are finding this to be true". www.nytimes.com/2008/04/07/business/worldbusiness/07iht-controls.4.11735373.htmlA weakened Baht does NOT encourage greater levels of exports, several BOT studies have demonstrated that there is no relationship between export levels and the value of the currency. The value of exports is solely down to one thing, the buying power and demand from the buying country. All that leaves is tourism and the hope that increased Chinese tourism will save the day. Given that the Chinese economy is in such poor shape, it's difficult to imagine why it would, although perhaps the sheer size of the Chinese population is sufficient alone to tip the scales in Thailand's favour. Plus Thailand is historically excellent at creating new markets. It seems as though tourism is the only trick up the proverbial sleeve, it's a stop gap measure until exports and the importing country economies can recover. Lastly there's the weather, El Nino and reduced agricultural output, all those things point towards higher domestic prices and decreased output and exports, ouch! It's difficult to imagine how all of this might play out over say three or five years, but it's even harder to imagine a good outcome. Anecdotally, my wife' s business costs have increased 11% in the past year and she has now passed this along to customers by increasing her sales price. Only one customer has complained and sales are very similar to what they have been in September. The products my wife sells represents discretionary spending and her customers appear both willing and able to pay/spend more but most are older people and most are based in Bangkok.
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Post by chiangmai on Sept 24, 2023 7:43:34 GMT 7
Sorry, I didn't explain that first part very well, now that I've re-read it. So before somebody takes me to task: UK interest rates are currently high but the Pound has weakened against USD, this signals that the BOE wont raise rates further. Technically, the Pound should be quite strong at present but USD strength and the UK's own economy means the markets don't have confidence in its value. The cost of servicing UK's debt has become more expensive and as interest rates fall (at some point) this will become even more expensive. The high price of oil is a good example. the cost to buy one barrel of oil at USD 80 pb is easier and cheaper when GBP/USD is at 1.28. When the price of oil increases to USD 95 pb and the GBP/USD exchange rate falls to 1.22, the cost becomes even higher.
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Post by chiangmai on Sept 25, 2023 6:04:29 GMT 7
Because of the Fed's mantra, higher for longer, 10 year T'Bond yields are pushing higher, equities (valuations) will struggle and likely fall as a consequence. All of this suggests an even stronger USD, some forecast/guess USD/THB in excess of 37. That would be good for tourists and expats but bad for oil imports. Perhaps it's good to remember that nothing lasts forever so I wouldn't want to plan on 37 longer term. Bloomberg's and others carry an interesting story about the gold price which has become disconnected from the historic equations that determine its price. Mostly this seems to be as a result of frantic buying by central banks globally but interestingly its relationship to USD value and US rates has changed. Is this a paradigm shift the article asks. More importantly, are old fiscal rules being replaced with new ones across the board and we don't understand yet what they are or that it is actually happening? www.barrons.com/articles/10yr-treasury-yields-bond-c59a9389finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-gold-buying-driving-paradigm-081235805.html
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Post by rott on Sept 25, 2023 9:46:34 GMT 7
I somehow missed yesterday's bulletin changers but am most impressed (I do admit that this is easily done). You must have been up all night putting it together, your expertise and commitment are legendary. I am not the only one saying so either, I think this year's POTY will be a hotly contested event.
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Post by chiangmai on Sept 25, 2023 10:08:34 GMT 7
Oh my, a POTY award, it's so exciting. Er, but POTY was a urine take was it not......tell me you're not misbehaving!
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Post by oldie on Sept 25, 2023 10:27:30 GMT 7
I take it we're still talking about Baht Simpson.
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Post by chiangmai on Sept 25, 2023 11:19:07 GMT 7
Increasingly higher oil costs means airline fuel surcharges and higher ticket costs, costs that are already substantially higher than one and two years ago. That's another negative vibe for tourism and recovery of the Thai economy. Meanwhile, the gap between the true cost of fuel and the price the consumer pays in Thailand, widens even further. That combination of reduced income and increased expense will put downward pressure on THB. Except China is buying much of its oil from Russia at a knock down price (and not in USD) so all hope of a Chinese tourism led recovery is not impossible.
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