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Post by siampolee on Sept 25, 2023 17:11:48 GMT 7
In my opinion the fun is going to begin in the not so distant future when the tally man comes knocking on the door of Thailand and its people requesting payment for the bricklayers financial policies. Then we shall see some fun. Thailand has been down this road before, same game different time and name.
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Post by chiangmai on Sept 25, 2023 17:51:26 GMT 7
What happened in 1997 was structural and doesn't really relate to todays economy. Today, the government has almost no foreign currency loans plus the BOT has substantial foreign currency reserves hence there is no need to formally devalue the baht, THB is also no longer hard pegged to USD. Importantly, the FX Reserves are not all tied up in long dated securities, as they were in 1997 hence they are available to be used, if required. If the government wanted to reduce the value of THB they could easily leave it to market forces and let it float down, which is pretty much what they are doing.
Todays economic problems in Thailand are not ones where government needs to be reactive, as was the case in 1997. Today the need is to be proactive and carefully think through all the steps they want to take to see how the bigger picture might pan out. There is still time to do that, there is a good chance that much of what has been mentioned is nothing more than political posturing, promises that will soon be set aside once the coin finally drops. If they are not and they must be paid for, it is already clear that taxation is one of the strings that will be pulled in order to help pay the bills. Less than 11% of the population pay tax in Thailand, only around 4% pay tax via PAYE. VAT is the biggest tax revenue earner by far, commercial taxation is second. So you can see there is plenty of scope for the Revenue to start increasing the tax take and it's clear that is on the PM's agenda.
Anecdotal again: when Mrs CM registered her business for tax, the local tax office in nearby sleepy hollow was most obliging, so much so they went out of the way and actually broke the rules to ensure she didn't pay tax. It took a while for this news to surface and I was livid, I insisted that she file an amended return and pay the tax that was due. Head Office in the town was most amused and suggested that the local office had misunderstood something, blah blah, regardless, tax was paid. When the local tax office staff are members of the community, their empathy is with the tax payer rather than being objective or neutral and that needs fixing. When I went to the Head Office in the town and asked about a deduction for my health insurance premiums, a couple of them ganged up on me and suggested that if I took that deduction they would consider looking into the source of my overseas pension payments and how much, in case they needed taxing! So different rules but today I sense we're all fair game.
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Post by chiangmai on Sept 26, 2023 16:16:12 GMT 7
Some Bloomberg soundbites say things better than I could: "The Stoxx 600 benchmark slid 0.8% and US equity futures declined, putting the MSCI All Country World Index, one of the broadest measures of global equities, on track to match its longest losing streak in the past decade.The yield on 10-year Treasuries rose two basis points after hitting a 16-year high on Monday. The Bloomberg dollar index resumed its advance from the strongest closing level since December. Jamie Dimon, chairman and chief executive of JPMorgan Chase & Co., floated the idea US interest rates could reach 7%, a worst-case scenario that could catch consumers and businesses off-guard. Traders are increasingly concerned that rising oil prices risk fanning inflation, which will make it difficult for policymakers to reduce rates anytime soon. Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis President Neel Kashkari said he expects US interest rates to increase again this year given the robust economy. Those sentiments echoed comments last week from Boston Fed President Susan Collins, who said further tightening “is certainly not off the table,” while Fed Governor Michelle Bowman signaled that more than one increase will probably be required.In Asia, property concerns continued to weigh on Chinese markets. Hong Kong’s Hang Seng Index fell to levels last seen in November and mainland benchmarks inched lower, reflecting a dismal mood across the region". Inflation is still the headline story, the prospect of more interest rate increases is causing USD to get even stronger, equities to fall and the yield on the 10 year bond to increase. The Chinese economy is looking glum on the back of the property market shenanigans and Jamie is floating the idea of a worst case 7%, for which nobody is even remotely prepared. Jamie runs the world biggest bank, people listen to him and more importantly, they trust what he says, even US presidents trust what he says. One of the problems is that the US is a net exporter of oil, they sell more than they buy: "Crude oil exports of about 3.60 million b/d accounted for 38% of total U.S. gross petroleum exports. The resulting total net petroleum imports (imports minus exports) were about -1.19 million b/d, which means that the United States was a net petroleum exporter of 1.19 million b/d in 2022". www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=727&t=6#:~:text=Crude%20oil%20exports%20of%20about,million%20b%2Fd%20in%202022. The above means that the US actually benefits from a rising oil price and also a stronger USD whereas most other countries take it up the back passage! Thailand for example imported about 1.6 million barrels of oil per day in 2022, at a cost of about 2 trillion baht. Since that time, the price of oil has climbed unrelentingly but the cost to the consumer has fallen!!! www.statista.com/statistics/1268171/thailand-imports-and-exports-of-energy/#:~:text=From%20January%20to%20November%202022,of%20oil%20equivalent%20per%20day. But back to Jamie and 7% interest rates, can you imagine what that will do to the US housing market where most mortgages are variable rate loans and the homeless situation is already dire? If all of this was a board game at Xmas, players would have abandoned it and gone to the pub.
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Post by siampolee on Sept 26, 2023 16:52:25 GMT 7
China has more serious problems than it will or can admit to, looks like the property development the property market are looking more like a jelly than a Chelsea bun. According to other reports the Chinese outbound travel industry is also a diminishing market. That could indeed jigger the dream weavers figures at TAT. Lots of ''jaw, jaw. jaw, from the financial' 'experts'' who in reality know a great deal about very little, My opinion for what its worth (as an uneducated financial oik) I think the bankers (or the slang version of bankers) are in a game of Blind Mans Buff. Financial matters are rather like the weather, if you know for sure which way the wind is blowing or going to blow you can predict the weather with a good success rate. Methinks the time is coming when those financial storm cones will have to be hoisted.
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Post by chiangmai on Sept 26, 2023 17:28:40 GMT 7
Yes, I agree. The problem is that everyone is seeing lots of different signals but we don't know if anyone is capable of joining up all the dots and understands what it all means. Some people know what parts of the picture look like but nobody seems to understand what the entire picture is, it's all very fragmented. It isn't that people who study these things are stupid, the problem is this is new ground and folks keep trying to use the old rules, people are naturally confused and scared so I find it's helpful to come back to basics:
If you give away lots of money to lots of people, that causes price inflation and burdens the giving party with debt that must be serviced and repaid.
If you raise interest rates, that will be eventually dampen or halt inflation. Except not all economies experience the same levels of inflation at the same time and not all of them can tolerate the same high levels of interest rates, without inducing deflation.
If you raise interest rates high enough, you will negatively impact consumers, businesses and government borrowings to where people will lose their homes, businesses cannot expand or service their debts and government is forced to increase taxes.
The price of oil impacts transportation and productivity costs, as it rises, the cost of almost everything increases.
In times of economic stress, people buy gold which increases its value.
If you burden the population with too much debt, civil unrest is likely.
Pension funds and social security systems globally are dependent of equity and bond markets, if those markets become unviable, pension and social support payments will cease.
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Post by chiangmai on Sept 27, 2023 15:35:32 GMT 7
The MPC has hiked interest rates to 2.5%, "as predicted by 10 of the 21 economists surveyed"........arf arf.
10 out of 21, I mean really.
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Post by chiangmai on Sept 28, 2023 5:36:26 GMT 7
This is the Pound side of GBP/THB. "The Pound has fallen more than 3pc against the dollar so far this month and is now on track for its worst month since the aftermath of the mini-Budget last year. However, the pound’s weakness is also being driven by the strength of the dollar. The euro, which is unperturbed by the actions of the Bank of England, has also fallen to a six-month low against the greenback, indicating the worldwide strength of America’s currency. Analysts at Nomura and at Goldman Sachs have both warned the pound has further to fall, predicting a drop to $1.18. That would be the lowest level since February. If inflation falls more slowly, or even stops falling altogether, it is bad news for the Chancellor: interest payments on one-quarter of the £2.6 trillion national debt are tied to inflation, leading to more strain on the public purse. An extra 1 percentage point on inflation adds roughly £6bn to annual debt interest costs". While Dollar/Baht will almost certainly see gains, Pound/Baht is likely to remain flat or even fall.
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Post by chiangmai on Sept 28, 2023 10:30:38 GMT 7
Mixed signals from China about tourism: Booking platforms and agencies say Chinese going abroad favour cheaper Asian destinations, with Thailand by far the preferred choice after it introduced a visa waiver programme. But, But as the economy struggles to recover after the pandemic, previous holidays this year have disappointed in terms of spending per person, as a weak job market and low incomes hurt consumer spending. "I don't think I will spend too much on shopping in Thailand," said Wang Zheng, 31, another tech industry employee. "The main thing is to enjoy the beach." And, A record number of Chinese are choosing to travel at home this Golden Week holiday, potentially boosting domestic consumption but disappointing travel agents who have been waiting for big-spending tourists to go back abroad since the pandemic ended. While the data points towards a resurgence in domestic tourism, the outbound market has only recovered to about 60% of its pre-pandemic levels, said Boon Sian Chai, managing director and vice-president of international markets for Trip.com, China's largest online travel platform. Cost is a major deciding factor, as the average price of international flights from China are up to 30% higher than before the pandemic, partly because airlines have yet to resume their pre-COVID schedules, Boon added. www.reuters.com/world/china/holidays-home-record-number-chinese-economic-slowdown-bites-2023-09-28/
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Post by rott on Sept 28, 2023 13:34:23 GMT 7
Pound/baht remaining flat is better than a kick up the arse.
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Post by chiangmai on Sept 28, 2023 15:27:08 GMT 7
From Facebook Chiang Mai:
Chiang Mai International Airport flight schedule for Oct. 2023. For all the reports about additional flights catering to mainland Chinese tourists, there are no apparent new flights. In fact, AirAsia is cutting flights to Beijing from the 10th from daily to four times a week.
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Post by chiangmai on Sept 29, 2023 6:19:39 GMT 7
The Baht is sinking further because of fears over planned fiscal measures and the soaring price of oil which will ultimately lead to price inflation. Local economists tried to put a positive spin on things by saying this weakness would help the tourism revival that was already underway along with an uptick in manufacturing next year (latest figures for which were seriously disappointing).
It doesn't help that bond yields have soared, along with bond yields globally. This means that issuers will have to pay a higher coupon rate if they want to issue bonds to finance debt (eg it will cost them more).
Government has already issued THB 19.4 billion of NEW debt for the 2024 budget year and they're not done yet. The new budget should make for an interesting read, when it is published.
You can see the ugly cycle that we're in: the oil price increases, price inflation ensues, government raises interest rates to contain inflation and tries to stimulate the economy with unbudgeted giveaways and price caps, all of which must be financed by issuing bonds that cost the government increasingly more. As consumer prices increase, the ability of poor debtors to service their borrowings causes NPL's to soar and the banking system wobbles. The very positive aspect here is that at least government has almost no foreign currency loans that must be serviced, otherwise we could be on a course for a 1997 moment.
So why are we in this situation. how did we get here? First and foremost must be the covid financial giveaways and the slow pace of economic recovery thereafter. Putin and Ukraine is partially responsible for the oil price and price inflation, as is slow economic recovery and OPEC countries need for income. Higher bond yields are also a function of slow economic recovery along with a wall of existing debt that has to be financed. A one room wooden hut, using solar power, near a stream, in the northern wilds of Montana become more appealing every day!
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Post by chiangmai on Sept 29, 2023 7:59:30 GMT 7
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Post by rott on Sept 29, 2023 10:50:47 GMT 7
I'd rather not look.
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Post by chiangmai on Sept 29, 2023 12:16:28 GMT 7
Phuket wants a second airport and has asked for a budget, maybe this is because Phagna and Krabi have done similar. Thailand, the hub of airports, it has a ring to it. My small moo bahn needs an airport, it's 16 kms into town and some days it takes me 25 minutes, can we have budget too please.
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Post by siampolee on Sept 29, 2023 12:20:13 GMT 7
Seems as is if the PM cum Finance Minister and his master(s) are or already have put into operation without comprehending the big picture in the financial world a grand scheme of things which in the end will make or break Thailand in more ways than one.
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