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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 10:46:03 GMT 7
So I was in a shop earlier today, and 2 customers are holding the dolls pictured below, and the girl who works in the shop says they have been banned very recently, and after these have sold out, we won't be selling them anymore due to them being called a racist doll. I remember when I was young, they were a common kids toy. They faded off the scene and I haven't seen them for a good 30 years anywhere until this shop today. Now in the same shop, there was white skinned kids dolls, these aren't considered racist. There was little fat Chinese Buddha toy statues, also not considered racist. So what's the big deal with these?  |
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Post by rubl on Aug 30, 2015 10:52:43 GMT 7
THe Dutch used to have 'zwarte piet' (Black Peter) as servants to Sinterklaas. Totally wrong of course, even the UN has spoken against. "The figure of Zwarte Piet is considered by some to be racist. As such, the traditions surrounding the holiday of Sinterklaas have been the subject of numerous editorials, debates, documentaries, protests and even violent clashes at festivals." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinterklaas |
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Post by Soutpeel on Aug 30, 2015 10:59:35 GMT 7
I was most distressed out of concern for Golliwogs, when they lost their jobs on the jam jars, I mean where was the Golliwog Union when they were made redundant
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Post by rubl on Aug 30, 2015 11:02:28 GMT 7
Not really surprised gollywog dools are deemed racist. You're still lucky you didn't get 'near' global condemnation from UN, HRW and who have you. With 'zwarte piet' we had" Mireille Fanon-Mendes France Chairperson of the United Nations Working Group of Experts on People of African Descent. Former professor at the University Paris V- Descartes in France and a visiting professor at the University of Berkeley in international law and conflict resolution. She has also worked for UNESCO and the French National Assembly. She is an author of several articles on human rights and humanitarian law, as well as on racism and discrimination. In 2009, she received the Human Rights Award by the Council for Justice, Equality and Peace. Daughter of Frantz Fanon and president of the Frantz Fanon Foundation: a space for memory, exchange and discussion on anti-colonialism. The foundation uses popular education and fights to build an international society based on solidarity among peoples. movingtraditions.nl/line-upthe five-Member Working Group of Experts on People of African Descent (WGPAD), chaired by Verene Shepherd; the Special Rapporteur in the field of cultural rights, Farida Shaheed; the Independent Expert on minority issues, Rita Izsák; and the Special Rapporteur on contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance, Mutuma Ruteere www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=14013&LangID=E |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 12:00:24 GMT 7
I was restricted to a white "GI Joe" doll.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 12:14:35 GMT 7
I was restricted to a white "GI Joe" doll. Collectable these days I've heard. Probably worth a few bucks. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 14:24:51 GMT 7
It's another example of "I don't like it, therefore it must be banned."
I've seen plenty of offensive parodies of Scots over the years - and didn't think any should have been banned.
Then some would say that it's not racist - but it can edge towards sectarian - and sectarianism is as bad as racism.
Just ask the Tutsis.
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Post by rgs2001uk on Aug 30, 2015 15:03:29 GMT 7
Not really surprised gollywog dools are deemed racist. You're still lucky you didn't get 'near' global condemnation from UN, HRW and who have you. With 'zwarte piet' we had" Mireille Fanon-Mendes France Chairperson of the United Nations Working Group of Experts on People of African Descent. Former professor at the University Paris V- Descartes in France and a visiting professor at the University of Berkeley in international law and conflict resolution. She has also worked for UNESCO and the French National Assembly. She is an author of several articles on human rights and humanitarian law, as well as on racism and discrimination. In 2009, she received the Human Rights Award by the Council for Justice, Equality and Peace. Daughter of Frantz Fanon and president of the Frantz Fanon Foundation: a space for memory, exchange and discussion on anti-colonialism. The foundation uses popular education and fights to build an international society based on solidarity among peoples. movingtraditions.nl/line-upthe five-Member Working Group of Experts on People of African Descent (WGPAD), chaired by Verene Shepherd; the Special Rapporteur in the field of cultural rights, Farida Shaheed; the Independent Expert on minority issues, Rita Izsák; and the Special Rapporteur on contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance, Mutuma Ruteere www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=14013&LangID=E I trust the Dutch told these self appointed cultural imperialists to go jump in a canal. |
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Post by rgs2001uk on Aug 30, 2015 15:05:06 GMT 7
It's another example of "I don't like it, therefore it must be banned." I've seen plenty of offensive parodies of Scots over the years - and didn't think any should have been banned. Then some would say that it's not racist - but it can edge towards sectarian - and sectarianism is as bad as racism. Just ask the Tutsis. I think the word you were looking for there is, tribalism. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 15:12:08 GMT 7
It's another example of "I don't like it, therefore it must be banned." I've seen plenty of offensive parodies of Scots over the years - and didn't think any should have been banned. Then some would say that it's not racist - but it can edge towards sectarian - and sectarianism is as bad as racism. Just ask the Tutsis. I think the word you were looking for there is, tribalism. Yes, well I did contemplate using the word Tribalism - but as soon as you use it, most Westerners get a picture of half-naked African's running about doing each other in with spears. To bring it closer to home it has to be sectarianism - which sees people from the same racial background turning on each other. |
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Post by AyG on Aug 30, 2015 15:33:18 GMT 7
There was little fat Chinese Buddha toy statues, also not considered racist. This really is a bête noire of mine. The Lord Buddha was never fat. The fat figure that many people ignorantly confuse with him is in fact that of an eccentric Chinese monk named Budai from the early 10th century CE. |
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Post by rubl on Aug 30, 2015 20:42:30 GMT 7
Not really surprised gollywog dools are deemed racist. You're still lucky you didn't get 'near' global condemnation from UN, HRW and who have you. With 'zwarte piet' we had" Mireille Fanon-Mendes France Chairperson of the United Nations Working Group of Experts on People of African Descent. Former professor at the University Paris V- Descartes in France and a visiting professor at the University of Berkeley in international law and conflict resolution. She has also worked for UNESCO and the French National Assembly. She is an author of several articles on human rights and humanitarian law, as well as on racism and discrimination. In 2009, she received the Human Rights Award by the Council for Justice, Equality and Peace. Daughter of Frantz Fanon and president of the Frantz Fanon Foundation: a space for memory, exchange and discussion on anti-colonialism. The foundation uses popular education and fights to build an international society based on solidarity among peoples. movingtraditions.nl/line-upthe five-Member Working Group of Experts on People of African Descent (WGPAD), chaired by Verene Shepherd; the Special Rapporteur in the field of cultural rights, Farida Shaheed; the Independent Expert on minority issues, Rita Izsák; and the Special Rapporteur on contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance, Mutuma Ruteere www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=14013&LangID=E I trust the Dutch told these self appointed cultural imperialists to go jump in a canal. Of course not, that would be promoting water pollution! We now have 'zwarte piet' in all colours of the rain bow and added both black and white for good measure. |
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