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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 13:00:16 GMT 7
We don't need no education . . . dumb dumb, diddy dumb.
So an old friend of mine's daughter here in this bizarre country finished her degree at a good University, Assumption I think, could have been another one. Fluent in Thai, English and . . . Chinese. Luk Kreung, very intelligent.
Goes to work for a bank, ends up doing all manner of work well beyond her pay grade which brings me to my point. 11,000 Baht a month. That's two hundred quid . . . a month. Like fifty quid a week. Finance is also the highest paying sector!
Apparently after years of this a person may get into middle management which pays around six hundred quid a month, or a hundred and fifty quid a week AWOOOGA!
Can someone please tell me why anyone bothers throwing a million baht at a University, a million before that on private school fees all for the kid to make fcvk all.
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Post by siampolee on Oct 4, 2015 13:05:31 GMT 7
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 13:06:41 GMT 7
Image and face, one upmanship, keeping up with the Jones!!. I haven't got it but I'll flaunt it no matter what the cost. It ain't that. It's whether investment in higher education is worth it. |
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Post by rgs2001uk on Oct 4, 2015 14:38:43 GMT 7
Patronage system old chap, thats where the good jobs come from.
I assume this job is upcountry, I have nieces working in finance, starting salary is 25k per month, if you aint too thick that rises to 40k per month after a year or so. This is Bkk.
As for the education, well it gives a piece of paper that gets you onto the Gov't gravy train and all the benefits that entails.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 14:41:10 GMT 7
Patronage system old chap, thats where the good jobs come from. I assume this job is upcountry, I have nieces working in finance, starting salary is 25k per month, if you aint too thick that rises to 40k per month after a year or so. This is Bkk. As for the education, well it gives a piece of paper that gets you onto the Gov't gravy train and all the benefits that entails. I think this was Rayong, which was a surprise. Okay, so it's worth it. Just considering the next step with eldest. |
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Post by me on Oct 4, 2015 15:01:30 GMT 7
You seem convinced you have to throw a bunch of money at private universities to get anywhere. Not true.
Here there are several ranks of public universities. forget the rajapats...they are useful but only in providing low wage level people in their rank.
the next includes many of the provincial unis and some of the Bangkok ones. OK for those who can only handle that.
Then there is the better level. It is well known but places like Phayo in the country which was a college of Naresuan University.
I consider the course my niece is doing there of quite fair standard even compared to the west though the marking is easier. Those that cannot hack it do not fail they are just counselled to leave and go to one of thee lower universities or Rajapats...that is why the failure rate is low. The drop out rate is about 30%,
Of course there are universities which are better in some faculties than others. This is normal. Research is needed.
The costs at Phayo are round 20000 a semester, 3000 a baht for accomodation and 3000 for food. for that they get an education that is better than some in the west.
Private unis however is where the do not fail anyone comes into its own. Many of them are filled with people who could not get into a normal university...which is hard but not excessively so. Private Universities do not turn out a better product in many cases but they sure charge for it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 15:05:57 GMT 7
You seem convinced you have to throw a bunch of money at private universities to get anywhere. Not true. Here there are several ranks of public universities. forget the rajapats...they are useful but only in providing low wage level people in their rank. the next includes many of the provincial unis and some of the Bangkok ones. OK for those who can only handle that. Then there is the better level. It is well known but places like Phayo in the country which was a college of Naresuan University. I consider the course my niece is doing there of quite fair standard even compared to the west though the marking is easier. Those that cannot hack it do not fail they are just counselled to leave and go to one of thee lower universities or Rajapats...that is why the failure rate is low. The drop out rate is about 30%, Of course there are universities which are better in some faculties than others. This is normal. Research is needed. The costs at Phayo are round 20000 a semester, 3000 a baht for accomodation and 3000 for food. for that they get an education that is better than some in the west. Private unis however is where the do not fail anyone comes into its own. Many of them are filled with people who could not get into a normal university...which is hard but not excessively so. Private Universities do not turn out a better product in many cases but they sure charge for it. When you consider kids are leaving Blighty poly's today with no education yet 50k quid in debt . . . . Thanks Harry. You always come through when I'm all confused! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 15:10:37 GMT 7
This is a very cynical view OP no offence. I personally admire and respect anyone who goes the extra mile to get qualified for something. Even if the pay packet isn't huge, it's the learning curve and personal growth. The young lady will use this first crappy position as a stepping stone towards better things, it's not always about the $$$.
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Post by me on Oct 4, 2015 15:22:13 GMT 7
You seem convinced you have to throw a bunch of money at private universities to get anywhere. Not true. Here there are several ranks of public universities. forget the rajapats...they are useful but only in providing low wage level people in their rank. the next includes many of the provincial unis and some of the Bangkok ones. OK for those who can only handle that. Then there is the better level. It is well known but places like Phayo in the country which was a college of Naresuan University. I consider the course my niece is doing there of quite fair standard even compared to the west though the marking is easier. Those that cannot hack it do not fail they are just counselled to leave and go to one of thee lower universities or Rajapats...that is why the failure rate is low. The drop out rate is about 30%, Of course there are universities which are better in some faculties than others. This is normal. Research is needed. The costs at Phayo are round 20000 a semester, 3000 a baht for accomodation and 3000 for food. for that they get an education that is better than some in the west. Private unis however is where the do not fail anyone comes into its own. Many of them are filled with people who could not get into a normal university...which is hard but not excessively so. Private Universities do not turn out a better product in many cases but they sure charge for it. When you consider kids are leaving Blighty poly's today with no education yet 50k quid in debt . . . . Thanks Harry. You always come through when I'm all confused! Of course I meant a month with those apartment and food costs. Cheaper when shared. 2500 gives a single room at Phayo |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 15:26:50 GMT 7
This is a very cynical view OP no offence. I personally admire and respect anyone who goes the extra mile to get qualified for something. Even if the pay packet isn't huge, it's the learning curve and personal growth. The young lady will use this first crappy position as a stepping stone towards better things, it's not always about the $$$. It just seems the opportunity isn't really here for anyone who doesn't own a business. It's not there for employees. Therefore the question of whether spending loads on higher education is worth it. There are alternatives in life and just because you don't attend university doesn't make a person ignorant, quite the reverse in many cases. Higher education is in a bubble, globally. It's become a mass production business of ever reduced quality. I'd advise any kids who aren't going to Russell Group Universities in the UK and/or those intending to study soft dead end nonsense rather than training for the real professions to seriously consider their options too. The World's already full of useless bull5hitters. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 15:41:55 GMT 7
In this part of the world that piece of paper is all important. Not everyone has the nous nor the inclination to go into business so is what you're saying it's all about making money? I'm married to a man who has an MBA/MIB, back years ago he wasn't making a gazillion dollars but used it as a stepping stone to better things. We all do. Having a masters doesn't make me brighter than anyone else but it was the process of learning something I was interested in for me.
What higher education doesn't teach is wisdom and street smarts, people skills.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 15:44:57 GMT 7
In this part of the world that piece of paper is all important. Not everyone has the nous nor the inclination to go into business so is what you're saying it's all about making money? I'm married to a man who has an MBA/MIB, back years ago he wasn't making a gazillion dollars but used it as a stepping stone to better things. We all do. Having a masters doesn't make me brighter than anyone else but it was the process of learning something I was interested in for me. What higher education doesn't teach is wisdom and street smarts, people skills. Making a living. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 15:55:05 GMT 7
The wage gap here is huge between the gweilos and the locals doing the same job here just about. It's in everyone's contract 'Never discuss salary' but they all know. I'm on an expat package but I'm not an expat, seems unfair but it is what it is. If you have permanent residence status technically I should be on the local hire. No relocation allowance, no living/housing etc. Who you know not what you know and how well you can negotiate a contract.
Higher education is big business here too, mainland China lusts for those degrees obtained from a western university. Megabucks are spent by parents to get their kid into one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 16:02:13 GMT 7
The wage gap here is huge between the gweilos and the locals doing the same job here just about. It's in everyone's contract 'Never discuss salary' but they all know. I'm on an expat package but I'm not an expat, seems unfair but it is what it is. If you have permanent residence status technically I should be on the local hire. No relocation allowance, no living/housing etc. Who you know not what you know and how well you can negotiate a contract. Higher education is big business here too, mainland China lusts for those degrees obtained from a western university. Megabucks are spent by parents to get their kid into one. Thank you. Okay, so it's necessary and Harry's calmed my fears over astronomic costs. rgs somewhat over incomes. In Blighty, the cost is now so huge (as it is with all manner of things) that getting it right first time is not only necessary, it's essential, hence my reticence towards soft dead end courses and low quality institutions and paying for that gravy train. Back when I did a degree it was free and you got a grant and then our careers were rocketed off the back of a huge economic boom. Not so now. Tables are turned both ways, huge costs and little opportunity. Ironically, my industrial NVQ level 4 (hazardous waste management) is worth more than my degree in regards to making money. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 16:23:15 GMT 7
I don't know about Thailand but IELTS is huge here and mainland China. Costs 1800 to sit the test and lots of money before that to hone the English skills. Huge business. To get into a western university is a race of the ones who believe the paper will put them under the tree where dollars fall from the branches unlimited. Countries such as Australia with so many Asian students make a killing.
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